.45 caliber Renegade?

Greetings,
Long time lurker, and now a member.

Has anyone seen in person, or owned (shot), a T/C Renegade with a factory .45 caliber, 1-48" twist barrel?

I'm not talking about a Green Mountain aftermarket Long Range Hunter fast twist barrel, or a 1-70" twist Round Ball barrel.

Neither, am I referring to a Bobby Hoyt (or any other barrelsmith) relined, or custom-built .45 caliber × 1" barrel.

The images I have seen online show an early breech plug with the clean-out screw, a tall spur on the percussion hammer, the flat steel buttplate, a bead front sight, an oak (?) ramrod with steel tip, and everything else looks just like a Renegade, EXCEPT that the barrel is described as being 29" long ( 28" in actuality?).

Now that I'm a Fold Art, I am making my first foray into the world of the Thompson/Center.

My first muzzleloader was a brass-mounted, flintlock, Lancaster-style longrifle from Golden Age Arms Company that I purchased in early 1971 at age 17 after working after school for minimum wage for a year to afford it.

Everyone thought I was crazy, because..

" Why would you buy THAT, when for the same amount of money ($330.00), you could buy a nice Winchester Model 70 with a Leupold scope on it!!!! "

Now, after 30 years without shooting, a T/C is what I can afford, but that is OK!

Thanks for your replies,
Bruce

Welcome to the Forum Bruce!

I am a DIEHARD TC Sidelock Guy, I have NEVER heard of a .45 Cal Renegade? To my understanding they only made the .50 and .54 Cals 1:48 Twist Renegades, But who knows? Maybe they did a RARE Batch of them? I know they made the .45 Cal in their Hawken, But i have never seen, or heard of one in their Renegade? You have my interest PEAKED here, I would like to See it!!

Idaholewis,
You, and a couple others are the reason I joined. Your exhaustive knowledge of the T/C sidelock, especially concerning bullets in moderate-to-fast twist barrels, is why I lurked here ( and that OTHER place where you were banned) so as to learn about the bullet.

Round balls I know pretty well, as that is what I started with, and in those days there was not very much in print; and a good bit of what was printed turned out not to be true for me.

As for the so-called .45 caliber Renegade; go to GunsAmerica, then find the seller John S. Burda, then tap on the icon for all of his listings, then tap on the 250 listings per page dot, and then scroll all the way down to the last two listings of the 140, or so, that he has.

There you will find two of these rifles. Only one shows the muzzle, but it appears that there is approximately 1/4" on either side of the bore, thus I am thinking that the barrel is a 1" straight octagon barrel such as the Renegade was speced out with.

Your thoughts?

T/C made a smooth bore barrel for the Renegade that basically was .28 guage. I don't recall a .45 caliber, but if so it's rare.

Bruce Mattes said:

( and that OTHER place where you were banned)

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This truly made me laugh!! You must be talking about CB?

Bruce Mattes said:

Idaholewis,
You, and a couple others are the reason I joined. Your exhaustive knowledge of the T/C sidelock, especially concerning bullets in moderate-to-fast twist barrels, is why I lurked here ( and that OTHER place where you were banned) so as to learn about the bullet.

Round balls I know pretty well, as that is what I started with, and in those days there was not very much in print; and a good bit of what was printed turned out not to be true for me.

As for the so-called .45 caliber Renegade; go to GunsAmerica, then find the seller John S. Burda, then tap on the icon for all of his listings, then tap on the 250 listings per page dot, and then scroll all the way down to the last two listings of the 140, or so, that he has.

There you will find two of these rifles. Only one shows the muzzle, but it appears that there is approximately 1/4" on either side of the bore, thus I am thinking that the barrel is a 1" straight octagon barrel such as the Renegade was speced out with.

Your thoughts?

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Anyway, GLAD to see you made it here! I will go try and find that Rifle now.

I Found it! The guy has 2 of them for Sale
https://xenforo.com/community/resources/conversation-search-plus.6504/

Here is what i think. It’s DEFINITELY a Renegade Stock, But i bet He has put .45 Cal Hawken Barrels in the Renegade Stocks. The .45 Cal TC Hawken’s ALL had 15/16” Barrels, and ALL renegades are 1” Barrels

Look here, Where the Barrel meets the Tang, Notice how the Tang is Bigger? If This was a 1” Barrel you wouldn’t See that Lip, it would fit Flush, or much Flusher than this. That Rear sight is a Hawken also

You nailed it Lewis.

I don't know how many times I've looked at those two rifles, and I never noticed the overhang of the tang over the barrel.

That's why it pays to ask someone else when you don't know the answer to a question.

Thanks,
Lewis.

Question?

Is it possible to shoot those pseudo .45 caliber Renegades with 15/16" barrels in a 1" barrel channel?

My logical brain is telling me that it's not such a great idea, unless one were to fully bed the barrel.

Do people sell rifles like this, and expect people to get good results?

Bruce Mattes said:

Question?

Is it possible to shoot those pseudo .45 caliber Renegades with 15/16" barrels in a 1" barrel channel?

My logical brain is telling me that it's not such a great idea, unless one were to fully bed the barrel.

Do people sell rifles like this, and expect people to get good results?

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You can do it for sure, I don’t feel it’s ideal, and obviously TC Didn’t either or they would have made them That way. 15/16” VS 1” is ONLY a 1/16, its SMALL, But fact is, It’s there! The 15/16” is a TC Hawken thing, They Scaled them Down Slightly to be a Slimmer/Trimmer Gun than the more ROBUST Feeling Renegade. The ONLY 1” TC Hawken is the .54 Cals, All .54 Cal TC Hawkens are 1”

The .45/50 TC Hawkens are ALL 15/16”

And again on the Renegade, ALL Renegades are 1”

I prefer 1” Barrels in 1” Barrel Channeled Stocks, and 15/16” Barrels in 15/16” Barrel Channeled Stocks. The Way Thompson Center Designed them.

Pity for the poor soul that buys one of those rifles thinking he is getting a .45 cal Renegade. Sad! Buyer beware!

herschel conyers said:

Pity for the poor soul that buys one of those rifles thinking he is getting a .45 cal Renegade. Sad! Buyer beware!

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EXACTLY! False Advertising at it’s Finest. The Guy can EASILY get away with it by saying “That’s how i bought them” Etc. I looked through that Sellers Ads, The Guy has a BUNCH of Blackpowder Rifles, I would bet he knows better than that? He was likely the one that Put them together like that? The Actual Renegade Barrels that belong in those Stocks we’re likely RUSTED/PITTED out? Speculation of course, But I’ll bet I’m right

Though it may be unsightly to some because of the lip at the breech, 15/16" barrels in Renegade stocks work just fine and post no hazard. If one is concerned about the 1/32" gap between the sides of the barrel and the stock channel, put two strips of duct tape across the channel, one at the breech end and one just in front of the wedge pin. The barrel will be quite snug in its bed.

I've actually seen one. A guy I used to shoot with years ago had one. If I remember correctly, it was a special order out of the T/C Custom Shop. T/C's Custom Shop would make you just about anything you wanted that was part of their line.

Wish TC would make their Renegades and Hawkins again! Hey, one can wish can't they?

Bruce Mattes said:

Idaholewis,
You, and a couple others are the reason I joined. Your exhaustive knowledge of the T/C sidelock, especially concerning bullets in moderate-to-fast twist barrels, is why I lurked here ( and that OTHER place where you were banned) so as to learn about the bullet.

Round balls I know pretty well, as that is what I started with, and in those days there was not very much in print; and a good bit of what was printed turned out not to be true for me.

As for the so-called .45 caliber Renegade; go to GunsAmerica, then find the seller John S. Burda, then tap on the icon for all of his listings, then tap on the 250 listings per page dot, and then scroll all the way down to the last two listings of the 140, or so, that he has.

There you will find two of these rifles. Only one shows the muzzle, but it appears that there is approximately 1/4" on either side of the bore, thus I am thinking that the barrel is a 1" straight octagon barrel such as the Renegade was speced out with.

Your thoughts?

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That’s a 15/16 Hawken barrel on a Renegade stock.

Idaholewis said:

EXACTLY! False Advertising at it’s Finest. The Guy can EASILY get away with it by saying “That’s how i bought them” Etc. I looked through that Sellers Ads, The Guy has a BUNCH of Blackpowder Rifles, I would bet he knows better than that? He was likely the one that Put them together like that? The Actual Renegade Barrels that belong in those Stocks we’re likely RUSTED/PITTED out? Speculation of course, But I’ll bet I’m right

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I emailed the seller before I took a closer look. He pretended to be unaware but I wouldn’t buy anything from that character.

Semisane said:

Though it may be unsightly to some because of the lip at the breech, 15/16" barrels in Renegade stocks work just fine and post no hazard. If one is concerned about the 1/32" gap between the sides of the barrel and the stock channel, put two strips of duct tape across the channel, one at the breech end and one just in front of the wedge pin. The barrel will be quite snug in its bed.

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Easy enough to glass bed the Hawken barrel into the Renegade stock.

We can barely get them to make Contender G2 frames alone a muzzleloader. The Smith and Wesson acquisition virtually destroyed the Custom Shop. Fox Ridge Outfitters died that day.

Idaholewis said:

You can do it for sure, I don’t feel it’s ideal, and obviously TC Didn’t either or they would have made them That way. 15/16” VS 1” is ONLY a 1/16, its SMALL, But fact is, It’s there! The 15/16” is a TC Hawken thing, They Scaled them Down Slightly to be a Slimmer/Trimmer Gun than the more ROBUST Feeling Renegade. The ONLY 1” TC Hawken is the .54 Cals, All .54 Cal TC Hawkens are 1”

The .45/50 TC Hawkens are ALL 15/16”

And again on the Renegade, ALL Renegades are 1”

I prefer 1” Barrels in 1” Barrel Channeled Stocks, and 15/16” Barrels in 15/16” Barrel Channeled Stocks. The Way Thompson Center Designed them.

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Some renegades were 7/8 as well