I believe I opened up a bees nest I do not know any of you personally, just a small bit about your character from reading your post. My love for the shooting sports is as old as I from manager of the worlds largest skeet and trap club to a member of the five man international sheet team,but my desire for hunting has always come first. I have been muzzleloading hunting for as long as I can remember shooting about every thing I can get my hands on. Because of this forum and you people the savage is now my gun of choice. I have learned so much valuable information from you all. I brought up some questions about VV-120 knowing I should not have, so I sincerly apologise to Pat and anyone else. Being a newbie to this forum I do not have access to the advanced forum so I was just seeking some advice. (SORRY) Quit the fighting, you all have great inputs to this great savage. Bob