Blackhorn in cartridges?

[white eagle]

Has anyone experiment with blackhorn 209 in cartridge cases?
Say a 45-70 or any other black powder cartridge

 

[CatamountRob]

There are metallic cartridge loads on the Blackhorn website.

https://blackhorn209.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/b209blackpowdercartridgedata.pdf

 

[eekjellander]

Has anyone experiment with blackhorn 209 in cartridge cases?
Say a 45-70 or any other black powder cartridge

Worked the one time I tried but it was one time only . Who can afford a case of BH 209 (an honest 50 LBS) ? Are you kidding!!!!/Ed

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I shot a few dozen .45 Colt but bh209 was a lot cheaper then. They shot fine but no better then T7.

 

[white eagle]

what ya shooting 50# of Blackhorn in?

 

[anonymouscowherd]

I see no reason to shoot any cartridge gun with a BP substitute. If it is an originally BP round (45LC, 45-70 etc) then either load BP or bp safe loads using regular smokeless (at a fraction of the cost of either real BP or any of the alternates just based on amount of powder used and cost of smokeless vs BP/subs)

 

[eekjellander]

what ya shooting 50# of Blackhorn in?

(Nothing) please read again what I said , a one time experiment (due to cost of BH aside lack of BH209 ) as I go thru 50-70Lbs of (REAL OE ) 1 1/2 F -2 and 3 F you can maybe visualize the likelihood of that happening !/Ed

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I see no reason to shoot any cartridge gun with a BP substitute. If it is an originally BP round (45LC, 45-70 etc) then either load BP or bp safe loads using regular smokeless (at a fraction of the cost of either real BP or any of the alternates just based on amount of powder used and cost of smokeless vs BP/subs)

Agreed. I didnt have any smokeless powders or real black at the time i was loading bh209 in .45colts. That’s what got me really started on the path to replace bh209 with other smokeless powders.

 

[anonymouscowherd]

Agreed. I didnt have any smokeless powders or real black at the time i was loading bh209 in .45colts. That’s what got me really started on the path to replace bh209 with other smokeless powders.

I'd look at TiteGroup. Low pressure, low gas volume, great for poofter loads, not position sensitive in the case, available and BassPro/Cabelas carries it if you have one of them local to you. Quick check of my favorite reference (https://shootersreference.com/reloadingdata/45-colt/) shows max loads no larger than 7.something grains so you are looking at 1000 rounds per pound. Even at $40/lb after tax that is .... cheap.

 

[MeatMachine]

I used it bh209 for 45 colt and 45-70 but not for long due to the cost of that powder.

 

[Boston Bill]

8 ounces is $70? Who the heck would buy that?

 

[DavidAR10T]

8 ounces is $70? Who the heck would buy that?

Me... if I was negligent is letting my stock get depleated.

 

[Boston Bill]

Me... if I was negligent is letting my stock get depleated.

Ok. Wasn’t meant as a criticism. Wouldn’t it be just as good to us as smokeless? Certainly cheaper.

 

[DavidAR10T]

Ok. Wasn’t meant as a criticism. Wouldn’t it be just as good to us as smokeless? Certainly cheaper.

I felt no jab in the ribs, sir.
I was just letting everyone know that I'm not trying save all of my money for my three daughters [33, 32, & 27].
Since BH 209 behaves like U.S. manufactured primers [primers don't age, according to CCI's top chemist], I just may purchase 5lbs in a few months.

 

[earlwb]

8 ounces is $70? Who the heck would buy that?

It is actually $80 for 8 ounce jugs around here. They sort of priced themselves out of the market. But then smokeless powders are going for $50 for a pound now too.

 

[Boston Bill]

True.

 

[MeatMachine]

It is actually $80 for 8 ounce jugs around here. They sort of priced themselves out of the market. But then smokeless powders are going for $50 for a pound now too.

But the good thing about smokeless is you get twice as much and usually use 25% of the amount of bh209 for the same performance.

 

[Boston Bill]

When you all use smokeless do you use a filler like corn meal or cream of wheat? Or nothing? If nothing ever have a pressure spike?

 

[MeatMachine]

I use titegroup powder and no fillers are required. When I want a hot load for my strong action 45colt rifles the case is full of imr 4759 actually slightly compressed with a 300gr speer bullet.

 

[eekjellander]

When you all use smokeless do you use a filler like corn meal or cream of wheat? Or nothing? If nothing ever have a pressure spike?

Sure do when using 2400 powder , 1/2 grain Dacron (loose not wadded) in my 45/70 . Never leave home with out it!/Ed