Somebody in here was recently selling a pile of 45/357 bullets in sabots. It was a surprise to me. I had no idea such a sabot was made until I saw them for sale in here. But there - were pics, so its real.
Yeah, I’ve seen those 45/357s on the MMP website but never really considered them. Maybe there’re worth a try. I’ve never had much luck with the 50/44 greens. Always been a fan of shooting a bullet that was a little closer to the bore caliber.
Yep, I'm a big fan of versatility too.
“Terminal performance is not all about speed or energy”… I’m confused. Terminal performance is literally ALL ABOUT velocity and energy, and how it is transferred to its intended target. What other factors does terminal performance rely on???
I’ve literally watched a 1,000 yard hit with a .40 cal paramount… I’ve not seen any other muzzy do that. YouTube paramount 1,000 yard hit. I’ll gladly watch any videos of any other instances of muzzle loaders shooting and hitting at 1,000 yards.
Go over to the Long Range section and you'll see where we were shooting in a registered match at 800, 900 and 1,000yds at Camp Atterbury, IN. We were all shooting 45's and were limited on propellant to a maximum of 120grs VOLUME of BH209. Sighters and 10 shots for score. Nobody missed a target. I took 1st in the inaugural match last June and 45-70 took 1st in September. There's no video of it, but there are a few photos.
Bullet construction!
Over 2200 fps I have had some 250 gr's at over 2700 fps in my 40 cal Knight Peregrine with blackhorn 209
Well I'm not going to speak for CVA but even though it was a Paramount used to get the hits I assure you the shooter held and holds zero affiliation with CVA. I understand you have the experience of the shooting sessions you guys did at the aforementioned distances, but I can only attest to what I've seen with my own eyes. And that's to this day only one muzzleloader yet. A .40 cal Paramount... In regards to taking aim at CVA for knowing their rifles capabilities and necessities, I think the admission that the maximum charge is needed is rather honest. Rather than making claims it cannot back, they are straight forward and let you know it is going to take some more "oomph" to touch out that far accurately. Also the long spire point bullets like to be run hot, the longer bearing surface is just happier when comfortably above the 2,000fps mark, in the .40's case closer to the 3,000fps mark. When shooting out to those distances the flatter trajectory alone associated with the higher velocity justifies the larger charge. I'm too forgiving I guess. But if I crucified CVA like everyone else I wouldn't have a rifle to shoot...
Long spire point bullet=longer bearing surface?
Ok. This could get all caught up in semantics. A longer bullet overall will tend to have a longer bearing surface unless you're dealing with some funky shapes. The bearing surface of a bullet is the part that rides flat and contacts the rifling. Yes that bullet has a long spire point, and, also a generous and long bearing surface. It's the shape of the bullet combined with a longer oal. So I'm talking about a longer bullet overall yes, but also as I mentioned, a longer bearing surface. This makes more contact with the rifling and needs a good boost of speed to get going. Where as a bullet with just a small strip of surface contacting the rifling will not require the same higher velocity to stabilize as the elongated ELR.
Barry Brakebill became Spring Champion shooting his Paramount at the NMLRA in Friendship, IN. However, IIRC, Barry actually used less than 120grs VOLUME in his Paramount to do it while shooting a Parker E-Max. Barry is also a shooter who is contracted with CVA. It was the first win ever for a CVA and he didn't have to use the recommended charge from CVA. It appears that CVA might be misleading shooters that a maximum charge is required????? But that might be with "their" bullet?
I saw a 40 leave leave a metal life size Ram standing at 500 yds last Spring at NMLRA Nationals at Friendship , so don't know how versatile with ELR bullets
