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MLN1963

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Impressed With My Muzzleloaders Accuracy!

I meant to post this last year and forgot about it. I have three MLs and all have good accuracy in my opinion. However, two really stood out after messing with the powder charges, the CVA - Optima and Thompson Center - Omega Dream Season. The CVA Optima shot .522" and the T/C Omega shot .407" groups, most respectable indeed! Can you say 1/2 MOA?

Originally I was using 100 grains of Blackhorn, Fiocchi 209 Primer and 200 Grain Dead Center bullets in both my guns and getting 2" plus groups at 100 yards in both guns. I was not happy with that, even though some might be ecstatic. I decided to bump it up to 110 to see if that made it better or worse. If worse I was going to drop to 90 and see how that performed. Let me say that both guns responded POSITIVELY to the extra 10 grains of powder as you will see in the pictures. Also, the extra powder made for a lot more recoil IMHO.

Ignore the POI on the CVA, it shifted with the additional 10 grains of powder, what is important is I shrunk my group by changing the charge. I originally had sighted in 3" high at 100 yards (100 grains), why I was so far left I don't know but both guns did it with the extra powder. None of that mattered at the time because I was just testing loads. 


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Onto the T/C Omega. I had this gun set to use 200 grain Dead Center bullets but decided to try the DC Duplex 195s. These are 357" instead of .400" and have a higher BC. Since I hunt wheat fields most of my shot opportunities are 100 yards or greater. 

Before I started I corrected the scope for elevation (no longer using 3" high at 100 yards). The shot to the left was the first shot of the day, I made my scope corrections and shot 3 more times resulting in this group. Wow, was I impressed! 

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I can hear it now..... A three shot group isn't enough, we need 5 or 10 shot groups. Well, three is enough for me because muzzleloaders are more expensive to shoot than centerfire! Besides, all I was trying to see is if more or less powder would make a difference and it most certainly did! Three may only be a trend and that is fine with me, if these groups doubled in size with a 5 shot group it is still Minute Of Deer in my neck of the woods. 

Shooting was done off a rest at 101 yards according to my range finder. I cleaned the bore after each shot. The CVA wears a Nikon 2-7x33 and the T/C wears a Redfield Revolution 3-9x40. All shooting was done on max magnification.

I can't speak for other guns, powder and bullet combos; but for mine the extra 10 grains of powder made all the difference in the world! Too bad I never had an opportunity to take a deer with them last year!
 
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lol 5 shots or more is for competition IMO. Not a must do for hunting. Awesome shooting rifles though! Either one of those loads will drop what ever you are aiming at.

Have you had a chance to field test the bullets?
 
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I have not personally. I have a couple buddies who have taken close to 30 deer with them. They love them so I am going to give them a try.
 
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Very nice shooting.





Dave
 
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I've shot both of those bullets at the range with very good accuracy. Have your friends killed deer with the 357 Duplex? I'd love to know how they performed at different distances.
 
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Greg

I'll be the first to try the 357s. I've asked them if they were going to try them too and they said why change when these work so well? It's hard to argue with that. They are slightly larger in diameter than a 30-30 with near equal muzzle energy. Plenty of deer have fell to the 30-30 so I feel confident they have the beans to do the job provided I do my part. 

We are in the worst drought I've ever seen here and the deer are skinny. There isn't one that I've seen on my game cameras that I would shoot so far this year. I hope that changes because I would like to use these MLs and my new crossbow this year. Last year they went hunting but were never fired.
 
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I assume you are shooting .50 cal. rifles. What sabot do you use to shoot a .357 bullet in them?
If it produces groups like that, I want to try it too.

Excellent results for sure.
 
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Yes, I'm shooting a .50 cal. The 357s use a sabot in a sabot set up, hence the name Duplex. I don't know that you can buy just the sabots, I bought the bullets with them. Here is the website of the maker in Canada. If you look around there are a lot of kills and even one video. 

http://www.prbullet.com

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There is one guy, Randy Wakeman, that says he could never make them group. I don't know what barrel twist or powder/primer combo he was using but I have had no problems with my Omega grouping with them. Then again this guy is out to bad mouth CVA every chance he gets so I take it with a grain of salt!
 
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We all know Randy is full of hot air ! :lol:
 
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:D 

Good shootin' there partner :!: A little more tweaking here and there and you'll have it shootin' in the same hole :!: 

Ray............;)

GOOD LUCK THIS SEASON :cheers:
 
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No more tweaking on these, I've spent a lot on powder, pellets, primers and bullets for these two muzzleloaders. I'm not a bench rest shooter and sub MOA is good enough for deer and me! 

I have a CVA Electra that I would like to get tweaked like these two but it isn't happening with pellets. Regrettably the spark plug ignition system of the Electra won't light my Blackhorn 209 powder and I really don't want to buy a pound of 777 when I have acceptable hunting accuracy from it. But, there is that nagging thought in the back of my head that it has the potential to be the most accurate of all. Anyone what to donate a bottle of 777 so I can scratch that itch? :twisted:
 
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MLN1963, sure impressed me with your shooting!  Nice range reporting too.
 
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Tweaked-out.... Nicely done :!: 
------------------Great range report too ;)
 
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MLN1963 ever thought of using a duplex load , a little 777 as a booster and BH 209 on top of that ?
 
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Spitfire

I know there are guys using a "starter powder" to light off the BH 209 but I have not tried it yet. The biggest reason is I have no loose powder, all I have right now is BH 209 and White Hot pellets.

Also, I don't like the idea for hunting. If I needed to do a fast follow up shot that would just add another step to the process.
 
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MLN1963 said:
Greg

I'll be the first to try the 357s. I've asked them if they were going to try them too and they said why change when these work so well? It's hard to argue with that. They are slightly larger in diameter than a 30-30 with near equal muzzle energy. Plenty of deer have fell to the 30-30 so I feel confident they have the beans to do the job provided I do my part. 

We are in the worst drought I've ever seen here and the deer are skinny. There isn't one that I've seen on my game cameras that I would shoot so far this year. I hope that changes because I would like to use these MLs and my new crossbow this year. Last year they went hunting but were never fired.
 I may have to order some & try them on the range again. Please keep us posted if you find a quality deer to shoot.
 
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GregK said:
I've shot both of those bullets at the range with very good accuracy. Have your friends killed deer with the 357 Duplex? I'd love to know how they performed at different distances.
FrontierMuzzleloading said:
Have you had a chance to field test the bullets?
I was able to take a doe yesterday with the Dead Center Duplex .357" 195 grain bullet. She was an average sized doe, maybe 130# on the hoof? She ranged at 99 yards and was walking away and stopped to graze so I guess you would say quartering away. I pulled the trigger and she bang flopped right where she stood. Her ears wiggled a couple times and she kicked a couple times and that was it. 

I shot her a little higher than I wanted and took out the lungs instead of the heart like I was aiming for (jitters). The shot passed thru so I didn't recover the bullet to see it's condition. The exit hole didn't seem enormous but it didn't really matter, the lungs were vaporized. I'll know a little more about the damage when I process her next week. I didn't take any pictures because my hands were all bloody when I turned her over looking for an exit wound. 

One of my friend that shoots the 200 grain 40 caliber Dead Centers has shoot two does so far. Both have been pass-thrus and both jellied what they hit. One went about 10 yards (lungs) and one about 50 yards (liver and lung). I asked what he thought his average recover was using the Dead Centers and he said maybe 20 yards but many are bang flops. Most of his deer were taken on his old lease at approximately 175 yards. He puts the bullets in front of 100 grains of Pyrodex RS and a ML primer shot from his Knight 50 cal.
 

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