Just learned something

[LBAhunter]

I have 2 cans of H4198, one i opened n started to test with. My groups were nothing to write about, best i remember 53 gr gave me a true 1 5/8" at a hundred. By the time i got to 55 gr recoil on my bad left shoulder . I said self lets go back to VV110/4759 n blue dot.

I hear ya!!

 

[MrTom]

Maybe its just me but I would like to see first hand from Hodgdon that this is the case with these two powders. I have plenty of IMR 4198 and will just stick with it.

check this out direct from Hodgdon: IMR 4198 vs H4198? What's the difference? - Page 2

That's a cast boolit's web page, not Hogdon's.

 

[ElDiablo]

I just sent an email to Hodgdon asking the question. We’ll see what they say…

 

[bronko220002]

I just sent an email to Hodgdon asking the question. We’ll see what they say…

Thanks Diablo. I'm sure we will all be interested. The link I posted the guy said he talked to Hodgdon and I don't see any reason he would lie. I know it was castbollets site.

 

[illinoishunter]

Can't wait to get into smokeless. All this talk sounds like a foreign language to me. Guess I learned I've got alot to learn before I tangle with smokeless.

 

[mwwoodman]

While IMR and H 4198 are similar in burn rate, ignition doesn't compare. H4198 is very temperature stable, IMR is not. Unless they just changed formula's, this is news to me, I saw no mention of this on their site.
With saboted bullets, ignition issues are probably minimal with IMR.

 

[LBAhunter]

Can't wait to get into smokeless. All this talk sounds like a foreign language to me. Guess I learned I've got alot to learn before I tangle with smokeless.

Smokeless is "bueno"

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Smokeless is "bueno"

¡Smokeless es muy bueno!

 

[LBAhunter]

Si senor

 

[LBAhunter]

I just sent an email to Hodgdon asking the question. We’ll see what they say…

Hopefully, they will respond in a timely fashion.

 

[bronko220002]

Well guys I personally got off the phone with Luke at Hodgdon and he told me they are NOT the same. He asked me what application and I told him SML and he said that there are too many variables to consider with that. But he did say that there were no changes in load data of the 2 in .45-70. Data 10 years ago is still valid today.
I am getting on that other site and correcting that falsehood there before someone gets hurt.

 

[Decay]

It is my understanding that Hodgdon does not manufacture any powder. They buy from manufactures and military surplus and re-brand it for sale. For example, Blackhorn 209 is manufactured by General Dynamics in Canada, and GD sells all of it to Hodgdon for packaging, distribution and sales.

 

[ElDiablo]

Luke’s reply to my inquiry:

Thank you for reaching out to us. These are 2 different powders , made at different factories. The Hodgdon version has been out of production for a while now but not discontinued. The IMR version is currently being made.

Luke Otte
Customer Service Manager

 

[bronko220002]

Same info I got Diablo. Not sure why the person on the other site said he talked with Hodgdon and said that they were the same. That kind of misinformation can get someone in a lot of trouble. I posted on there that they are not the same.

 

[Shorty]

Luke’s reply to my inquiry:

Thank you for reaching out to us. These are 2 different powders , made at different factories. The Hodgdon version has been out of production for a while now but not discontinued. The IMR version is currently being made.

Luke Otte
Customer Service Manager

Please ask them when and where is the next shipment of h4198 going to be made and where is it going to be delivered to..lol

 

[10acres]

Please ask them when and where is the next shipment of h4198 going to be made and where is it going to be delivered to..lol

I actually asked that question about 2 months ago. They said another batch should be coming soon and will only be available on the Hodgdon website.

 

[Shorty]

I actually asked that question about 2 months ago. They said another batch should be coming soon and will only be available on the Hodgdon website.

Thank you, we muzzleloader smokeless enthusiast will eat the first batch up quickly.. lol

 

[jsteurrys]

Good thing that I have enough of it. H322 has been out of stock for a while now also.

 

[10acres]

Thank you, we muzzleloader smokeless enthusiast will eat the first batch up quickly.. lol

You and us 444 Marlin fanboys both.

 

[illinoishunter]

Question born from ignorance here. Why not go to N110 like LBAhunter is using? Sorry for bringing that up LBA.