Started reading this forum over the last month or so seeking some advise on muzzleloading and I just want to thank all who post and comment on it. I appreciate guys offering advise and not being overly critical of others. People truly trying to give good advise is refreshing. Not all outdoor forums are like that. My son and I got into muzzleloading a few years ago and we both have taken nice deer and love shooting our muzzleloaders. However, We have always read about guys shooting really tight groups at extended ranges and to be quite honest we have not be able to achieve anything tighter than a 3 1/2 inch group at 100 at the range. After reading many posts and a few articles by Toby Bridges on powder, sabot and bullet combos we have been able to finally achieve those 1 inch groups and I must say it was nice to leave the range excited rather than frustrated or thinking "Well that will have to be close enough". I thought I would mention the changes we made in hopes that maybe someone else might benefit. We went from 100 gr 777 pellets to 110 gr of BH 209. Changed Primers from 777 muzzleloading primers to CCI 209. Went from 270 gr Federal Bor Loc bullet to the 300 gr Scorpion PT Gold with the black Crush Rib sabot. Didn't touch the scope and the groups closed right up for both of us. Excited about our deer hunting trip to southern Iowa this weekend. Good shooting and hunting to all.