Postal Match Start

[smokepolehall]

He did so much work it wore me out for the rest of this week. Plus i have not found any bullets. Have stuff everywhere just not where i can get my hands on them. Maybe next month

 

[Ga.Smokey]

I'm busy cranking out parts trying to clear the deck myself.
I had a little mishap in tgr shop.
It was a simple little thing.
One if my coolant nozzles got nocked off by a tool or something.
I reached in and stretched to reach it.
My right side "fake ribs" let go on the enclosure. I felt one if them turn sideways.
Brutal pain as bad as a kidney stone.
So I've been letting that heal.
Did get out and play with the cva conversion.
Sealed up the variflame with a oring.
It shot really good.
Might have to send a few on a target.
This weekend maybe. After I cut grass....
Hope to be healed up enough to get the 16 twist back out also....

 

[Ga.Smokey]

Here is my break open target
Shooting smokeless powder
48 2x
Shooting sabots.
So all you guys with CVA Scouts come on out and play.

 

[Ninering62]

Here is my break open target
Shooting smokeless powder
48 2x
Shooting sabots.View attachment 43592

Nice shooting

 

[ENCORE50A]

Zooming in, it looks more like a single X ?????

 

[ElDiablo]

Zooming in, it looks more like a single X ?????

Uhh ohh - time to call in the judges…lol

 

[ENCORE50A]

Not sure where this should be based, but we'll start it here. We're not shooting LONG RANGE, so it doesn't belong there.

GaSmokey has everything he wanted to get this started, so lets just do it.

Rule ……………

If you agree to participate, you do it at your own risk and will not hold any other person/s liable or responsible for any reason what so ever.

Honor system………..

Two classes.

HUNTING CLASS: Break open actions:

All CVA break open rifles……….. except when shooting SML
All TC break open rifles………….. except when shooting SML
Patriot actions ………………………..except when shooting SML
All other break open rifles……… except when shooting SML
Traditions break open rifles
Traditions NitroFire
CVA Crossfire
Knight plunger rifles
Flintlocks
Percussion rifles

MODERN CLASS: All other rifles…….. ANY RIFLES SHOOTING SML.

Any rifle with a bolt, or bolt type action required to place any type primer.
TC Omega
All customs

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Any SAFE muzzleloading rifle. Any optic. Muzzle brakes ok. Any primer. Any position. Any type projectile.

Any SAFE propellant which your rifle is designed or built to shoot…. BP, Substitutes, SML.

Front rest, bipod or bags. Separate rear rest allowed.

Targets will be the 6” shoot-n-c targets pasted on a piece of cardboard.

Targets may also be a print out of the shoot-n-c target taped to cardboard.

Targets shot at 200yds and/or 100yds, one or the other, or both.

Five (5) shots for score.

Scoring.. Bullet MUST completely break the line to count a higher score. Bullets not on target do not score.

If there’s a questionable score, three individuals will be chosen to make the final decision?

WRITE THE DATE, SCORE, PROPELLANT TYPE AND WEAPON ON YOUR TARGET. PHOTO IT AND POST YOUR TARGET.

Rules are above............. ↑

Uhh ohh - time to call in the judges…lol

How about ElDiablo, Michiganmuzzy and Mtmonkey?

What say ye.................... Your consensus is final.

 

[Mnt monkey]

I blew it up as much as I could with my phone it's really pretty close I might lean towards it being good because of the break action he has my sympathetic heart thumping and he did it with the weakest link I have Prejudice in this because of the plastic and the brake action I better exempt my final conclusion

 

[Ga.Smokey]

Call in the judges
It's really close I know it....

 

[Ga.Smokey]

Call in the judges
It's really close I know it....

Eldiablo 9 ring ang Michigan muzzy.

 

[ENCORE50A]

Call in the judges
It's really close I know it....

I can see paper tear, but IMO the bullet didn't break the line. ??????

 

[smokepolehall]

You can't claim 2X with one hole ! 2 holes together in 10 ring

 

[ElDiablo]

That’s about as close as it gets but I’d call that one a 10 - not an X.

 

[ENCORE50A]

GaSmokey and others.................

1x or 2x ????

 

[ElDiablo]

GaSmokey and others.................

1x or 2x ????

We need Ninering and MichMuzzy to weigh in….

 

[Ga.Smokey]

GaSmokey and others.................

1x or 2x ????

I'm tgr shooter so I'm at tge mercy of the judges.
I'm good with what ever they decide.
I'm tickeled to shoot 1 x with a 500 dollar gun I built in my shop shooting plastic.
Factory trigger
200 dollar scope.
Tickeled as all get out.....

 

[Ninering62]

I blew the pic up as much as I could as well for the best view.
I see 1- x & 2-10. So that is my call on it.

 

[Ga.Smokey]

So the official call is 48 1 x.
I'm good with that.
Here is my opinion as to why I called it differently.
The rule states the bullet must break the line.
We can define the bullet as .401 caliber.

So taking that into concideration were left with a greese ring mark to make our determination.
We don't have tge actual bullet there frozen in time.
So the question is did the bullet break that line not the grease ring.
When you measure a grease ring with a caliper you will find out something interesting.
They will measure. 035 to .05 smaller than the actual bullet diameter.
How do we acount for that diameter loss?
So now the question is where was the actual bullet.

I would say that bullet clearly in Eldiablo's picture disturbed the outer portion of the black on its face and the bullet broke the entire plain if you look closely the ark of the grease ring is undefined in the black.
Because the grease doesn't show on black.
The line was clearly broken as encore pointed out the paper tore because of it.
I knew it was close but confident in my call. But again I respect the judges call.
This in no way is a complaint or gripe or anything if that nature. It's mealy an explanation of my view based on my experiences at many matches around the world.

I've seen it at hundreds of matches.that target would always go to the shooter.

Most recognized events have what are called overlays that you center over a bullet hole to see where the actual bullet was not the grease ring diameter.

In every case I've seen a target like that an overlay would show that bullet as breaking the line.
I'll have to dig up an overlay and take a picture.
The ruling stands like I said before I'm good either way.
We're having fun people are engaging and hopefully will get out and shoot more!

That's why i called it that way. I probably looked at that target for ten minutes trying to decide. If I was a judge knowing what I've seen shooting matches and using overlays in the past I'd have scored it an x
just to close to call and the tie always goes to the shooter.

 

[ENCORE50A]

So the official call is 48 1 x.
I'm good with that.
The ruling stands like I said before I'm good either way.
We're having fun people are engaging and hopefully will get out and shoot more!

Quite honestly, I'm not sure we'll ever see another target that close in scoring.

Having others (judges) involved making scoring calls when necessary will work.

Everyone................ get out and start shoot'n!

 

[ENCORE50A]