Ram Rod got stuck in Barrel while hunting!

[Farmingdales Finest]

Not involved in creation of any of the charts. But, there are lots of them floating around.


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Unfortunately the Federal MZ is not on this chart. If I use 777 at the range and the BH 209 hunting as Mrtom suggested should I be using two different primers or just one for consistency and understand that while at the range I will swab after each shot which was what I planned based upon my limited experience so far?

 

[ElDiablo]

I am cleaning with a presoaked CVA Bore Buster patch as well as a copper brush. I used my Hoppes oil in the barrel to store it after the last time at the range about 2 weeks before. The night before I cleaned and dried it again. I popped two caps the night before because the park system won't let you in the parking lot. Also the night before I loaded the pellets and ran the sabot down. When I got to the stand in the morning I put the primer in.

Should I have done something different?

I’d say that you’re in line with what most of us would consider “best practices” as far as the bore condition.

 

[Farmingdales Finest]

I’d say that you’re in line with what most of us would consider “best practices” as far as the bore condition.

Glad to hear I did something right!

 

[MrTom]

It appears you've got the cleaning down pat. Everyone has their own way of cleaning. I avoid shooting any of my guns with any kind of petroleum product remaining in the barrel. I never, ever humor the thought of using bore butter.

Simple glass cleaner works about as good as anything. I clean my guns with warm water when I've been shooting the t7 stuff. I use Hoppes when I clean after doing smokeless or Bh209. I use WD40, "specialist", long term corrosion preventative inside the bores when the last cleaning patch comes out clean. Being a petroleum product, I use an alcohol patch to remove any of the WD 40 product prior to popping the primers to foul the barrel.

 

[Farmingdales Finest]

It appears you've got the cleaning down pat. Everyone has their own way of cleaning. I avoid shooting any of my guns with any kind of petroleum product remaining in the barrel. I never, ever humor the thought of using bore butter.

Simple glass cleaner works about as good as anything. I clean my guns with warm water when I've been shooting the t7 stuff. I use Hoppes when I clean after doing smokeless or Bh209. I use WD40, "specialist", long term corrosion preventative inside the bores when the last cleaning patch comes out clean. Being a petroleum product, I use an alcohol patch to remove any of the WD 40 product prior to popping the primers to foul the barrel.

I was going to ask about bore butter because I have a friend who swears by it and several people have suggested it saying it would make it easier to get the sabot down and seated.

Also if I use 777 at the range and the BH 209 hunting as suggested should I be using two different primers or just one for consistency and understand that while at the range I will swab after each shot which was what I planned based upon my limited experience so far?

 

[MrTom]

Trust me....and don't bother with bore butter. What a mess that stuff creates.

You need full power primers with BH209....the ones used for shot shell reloading. I use them with T7 so everything stays consistent. I can literally shot the T7 load, knock out the crud ring, reload with BH209 and shoot into the same hole. As long as I do my end properly.

I think as you become more experienced you'll find that consistency in everything related to a muzzleloader is going to be your best bud.

 

[Farmingdales Finest]

Trust me....and don't bother with bore butter. What a mess that stuff creates.

You need full power primers with BH209....the ones used for shot shell reloading. I use them with T7 so everything stays consistent. I can literally shot the T7 load, knock out the crud ring, reload with BH209 and shoot into the same hole. As long as I do my end properly.

I think as you become more experienced you'll find that consistency in everything related to a muzzleloader is going to be your best bud.

You confirmed what I suspected . Thank you! I assume I should get a BH 209 breech plug too and use it for both powders?

 

[smittysmith2]

Listen pm me over the weekend on the other site I live ten miles from you we can make a list of loads to try that I think may work and have a range day it may take more then a day it’s part of the fun or obsession trust me we will get that gun shooting as it should. It may cost you a few bucks for powder and sabots and bullets but you should be good afterwards. Who know you might even get the bug

 

[Farmingdales Finest]

Listen pm me over the weekend on the other site I live ten miles from you we can make a list of loads to try that I think may work and have a range day it may take more then a day it’s part of the fun or obsession trust me we will get that gun shooting as it should. It may cost you a few bucks for powder and sabots and bullets but you should be good afterwards. Who know you might even get the bug

On NJ w&w? I don't see myself getting out to the range until February now. I coach the UBNJ S3DA kids archery team and I will be competing and coaching at the Lancaster Classic the end of January. I hope to get out during Muzzy permit in January but that will a stretch right now. I will send a Pm ...thanks

 

[MrTom]

You confirmed what I suspected . Thank you! I assume I should get a BH 209 breech plug too and use it for both powders?

Yes, get the plug and use it with both powders.

 

[Clairebear]

Do you suggest that if I use my BH209 plug while shooting triple 7 I could have less of a crud ring?

 

[MrTom]

The plug won't help with the ring. A weaker primer might help, something in the muzzleloader primers.

 

[Shorty]

On NJ w&w? I don't see myself getting out to the range until February now. I coach the UBNJ S3DA kids archery team and I will be competing and coaching at the Lancaster Classic the end of January. I hope to get out during Muzzy permit in January but that will a stretch right now. I will send a Pm ...thanks

. Great job mentoring!! Thats where all the pros shoot!! Good luck.. shorty

 

[Farmingdales Finest]

. Great job mentoring!! Thats where all the pros shoot!! Good luck.. shorty

Thank you. If we don’t get kids involved in the outdoors the things we as adults will see these great activities will rapidly fade away as we age out. I am doing everything I can to keep that from happening.

 

[biggamehunter78]

Sounds like your friends or acquaintances that are into muzzleloading could use some advice from this forum too.

 

[bgiles]

You confirmed what I suspected . Thank you! I assume I should get a BH 209 breech plug too and use it for both powders?

BH 209 recommends Federal 209A or CCI 209M primers. I have been shooting BH 209 with CCI 209 M primers for over ten years. I have had one ignition failure in that time and it was due to my failure to clean the oil residue from the breech plug after storing my rifle through the summer. I store it oily, but clean it before shooting it, except that one time.

 

[txhunter58]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but I always carry a screw in T handle. Like the one at the bottom of the page. In some guns I replace the factory ramrod with a “in-line T handle” ramrod

https://www.possibleshop.com/s-s-ramrod.html

 

[txhunter58]

This is what I use on 2 of my rifles. Cut to fit

https://muzzle-loaders.com/products/thompson-center-universal-power-ramrod

 

[michiganmuzzy]

This is what I use on 2 of my rifles. Cut to fit

https://muzzle-loaders.com/products/thompson-center-universal-power-ramrod

Ive got 4 or 5 of those now. Love ‘em.

 

[txhunter58]

I also use a spinjag extension. That gives me a couple extra inches. Yes you have to put it on but to me it’s worth it.
https://www.spinjag.com/