woodman arms patriot vs knight mountaineer/ultra-lite in .45 ???

[mwwoodman]

Bestill will spin a "smoker" Brux on a Knight and i bet he would love to see the Woodman adjustable plug too

what's cool about this plug, it can accept any 209's, our little 209 module with LRP/LRMP in one plug.
We also now have another plug insert for the larger .472 diameter modules with LRP/LRMP.

 

[JeffB1961]

thanks mwwoodman for replying . using a scope with a true 4 inch eye relief would your 1 inch mount put it a bit too close since it's offset to the rear ? would i possibly be better off with your pic mount and a aftermarket offset pic ring ? i won't be using BH209 , i've got 777 fffg and 777ML primers . outside of cleaning for the crud ring is there anything extra i'd need to keep in mind ? and ..... if i got the 50 , all i have to do later to go 45 is order your 1:18 barrel that comes with the 45 breech plug , nothing else needed ?
jeff

 

[stevie]

what's cool about this plug, it can accept any 209's, our little 209 module with LRP/LRMP in one plug.
We also now have another plug insert for the larger .472 diameter modules with LRP/LRMP.

Is this Breech Plug for the Patriot? I Do not see it on the website.

 

[GM54-120]

Ive looked over the manual of the adjustable plug a few times. Best thing ever is making it in several versions. The short flame path on the low pressure plug should really light up your typical 50cal loads. If you are smokin you probably wont need to worry about making much pressure in a 45cal or 50cal with sabots.

Shooting BH209 sabotless though i would go with the high pressure plug. Sabotless in a 45 can start to make Savage MLII type of pressures but just barely. You got to be loading up a pretty bruiser load to get there. Like Paramount level load data.

 

[Utah400elk]

I contacted Bestill and he does not do the Knight Breach plug anymore. A knight rifle with an arrowhead style primer system would be awesome. If anybody knows how to get that done please let me know.

I have an arrowhead custom smokeless in .45 and two knight .50 cal actions. One is a disk extreme with a scope then a Mountaineer for Colorado. I would love to have the Mountaineer with an arrowhead style bolt and primer system.

 

[brownisdown]

Bestill use to have the bolt and bp for a night muzzleloader.He replaced the bolt head and bulit modules for the primer to fit the bp.But at about $600.00 I believe.

 

[Utah400elk]

I don’t think he does that anymore. I wish he did. His work was exceptional.

 

[GM54-120]

Im going to see if he has anymore DiY bushing plugs left. I got one already for olders rifles but not in Mountaineer/Ulite size. I wonder if the Wilson buyout put an end to his plug production? Lehigh was making those plugs for Bestill.

 

[d414hiker]

Melonite QPQ is nitride

I have a knight Mountaineer that was nothing but trouble. The 209 primers were almost immpossible to remove after firing a shot. I gave up. I bought a CVA Paramount 45 hoping For better, But Someone stole my box of 1000 large rifle primers. Besides that vandals kept wrecking my range setup.

 

[GM54-120]

The 209 primers were almost immpossible to remove after firing a shot. I gave up.

What did you try to resolve the problem before you gave up?

 

[brownisdown]

On most mountaineer in order to get the primer out some guys shim the primer pocket or re cock the bolt and pull the trighger and the primer comes out.

 

[JeffB1961]

much thanks to all who replied . we're gonna order a CVA .50 MRX tomorrow .

 

[michiganmuzzy]

much thanks to all who replied . we're gonna order a CVA .50 MRX tomorrow .

Wow thats a step off from the original choices. But i think you’ll like it.

 

[JeffB1961]

well by the time i add a rail and rings the MRX is about $450 less than the knights and the patriot is 20 weeks out on orders . and after a lot of back and forth in my pea brain and making use of the enablers here .... i just can't justify the cost difference for my use . and the mrx will will probably shoot more accurately than i can . sometimes it takes me a few days to whittle down options when i'm deciding what i want to buy .

thanks again folks

 

[GM54-120]

Well you can still spend more money on the Arrowhead Rifle LRMP conversion.

 

[JeffB1961]

if i keep looking at your post i'm gonna be spending more money anyway !

 

[michiganmuzzy]

if i keep looking at your post i'm gonna be spending more money anyway !

He doesn't admit it but GM54-120 is the biggest enabler on this forum. Cant tell how much money ive spent on scopes and stuff because of him.

 

[Boonechaser]

Sure you did, you said the Knight was broke because primers came out dirty. Well they come out dirty in the Patriot too without the plug upgrade. You know the exact same complaint you had about the Knight plug. Even Mark just said they DONT seal in the plug that comes with the Patriot.

So you have the SAME complaint about both guns yet you choose to only hold it against Knight.

Pretty obvious to me this seems to go deeper than a dirty breech.

I love my Patriot, it just flat out shoots great for me. If I had one gripe / concern it would be the hinge pin and the very slight slop I can feel when the action is closed up. If it didn't shoot so good for me I would have to complain on that, but no complaints here!

I have a knight Mountaineer that was nothing but trouble. The 209 primers were almost immpossible to remove after firing a shot. I gave up. I bought a CVA Paramount 45 hoping For better, But Someone stole my box of 1000 large rifle primers. Besides that vandals kept wrecking my range setup.

I guess it could be deeper or obvious to a fanboi of a particular brand or it could be this is an example of what I have read about each and my experience with the multiple Knights, I’ve owned.
Also never said it was broke because the primers came out dirty, I found the whole breach was filthy and impossible to clean properly, getting into the area is a pain, threads and breech just always seemed to stay dirty. Break actions are much easier to clean the entire gun, in my experience.

 

[LHR]

Ive looked over the manual of the adjustable plug a few times. Best thing ever is making it in several versions. The short flame path on the low pressure plug should really light up your typical 50cal loads. If you are smokin you probably wont need to worry about making much pressure in a 45cal or 50cal with sabots.

Shooting BH209 sabotless though i would go with the high pressure plug. Sabotless in a 45 can start to make Savage MLII type of pressures but just barely. You got to be loading up a pretty bruiser load to get there. Like Paramount level load data.

Shooting sabotless in my .45 and went with the mid pressure plug using BH209. This was recommended by Mark for the bullet weights I'm shooting. 77 grains by weight and up to 300gr. bullets are shooting great for me so far.

If I were to shoot heavier loads and bullets I would certainly go for the higher pressure plug. But this little light weight rifle can be a monster with recoil at higher levels, so I'm good with where I'm at.

 

[d414hiker]

What did you try to resolve the problem before you gave up?

The only recommendation I got was to dry fire the primer and supposedly that would make it easy to remove the primer.
after many dry fires on the same spent primer it remained stuck. Had to remove the bolt and dig out the primer with a knife.
This was a good 2 years ago. I also had to remove the breech plug half the time to have adequate access to the primer in order to get the primer out.