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What? You wouldn’t know what to do with an iron-sighted full bore conical rifle?!Get me the permit................... not in Colorado.
What? You wouldn’t know what to do with an iron-sighted full bore conical rifle?!Get me the permit................... not in Colorado.
I guess you're not reading entirely my posts. I'm a hunter first, target shooter second.Its different in the field than on a hunting range. I bet you would miss out in the field shooting at 500yrds with no wind flags up or down hill. I believe that you can shoot your custom riffle at the riffle range 500 yards with multiple shots at target hunting you mostly have one shot to kill.
50cal only ??????50 cal only
I began deer hunting in 1966, gun hunting in 1969. I've too have killed a ton of whitetails and mulies on flat land or in wooded hill country, but elk, and yes I've taken a couple, on any terrain are the infamous whole other animal. That is why I asked about bullet function at long range. There's a huge difference between what a bullet will do to paper at 500 yards and what it might do to an elk at that distance. I'm not questioning whether you can shoot well at 500 yards Encore, I'm questioning what your bullet choice is capable of other than what's on paper. Your graphs are great for the target range, but elk hunters soon find out that the animals are nothing but perpetual motion and seldom give a hunter a whole lot of time to fiddle with knobs or wind direction to make their shooting machine good for a quick shot.I guess you're not reading entirely my posts. I'm a hunter first, target shooter second.
I have over 400 legal whitetail harvests between the States and Canada. Most with a muzzleloader and I've been shooting them since 1973. I like my venison.
Now..now Diablo. No need to get nasty. I'd be willing to bet just about everyone on here has cut their teeth on an open sighted muzzy.What? You wouldn’t know what to do with an iron-sighted full bore conical rifle?!
Not sure if Luke is following this, but I'm pretty sure he could answer any of your questions about bullet performance with the XLD's. I believe if one goes to his web site, one would find that those bullets work exceptionally well on elk and at range.I began deer hunting in 1966, gun hunting in 1969. I've too have killed a ton of whitetails and mulies on flat land or in wooded hill country, but elk, and yes I've taken a couple, on any terrain are the infamous whole other animal. That is why I asked about bullet function at long range. There's a huge difference between what a bullet will do to paper at 500 yards and what it might do to an elk at that distance. I'm not questioning whether you can shoot well at 500 yards Encore, I'm questioning what your bullet choice is capable of other than what's on paper. Your graphs are great for the target range, but elk hunters soon find out that the animals are nothing but perpetual motion and seldom give a hunter a whole lot of time to fiddle with knobs or wind direction to make their shooting machine good for a quick shot............
Now wait a min Encore..I'm a bit confused. 12.2" between 475-500 yards is still 12.2" no matter how you look at it. And 12.2" at 500 yds = 2.3 MOA475yds requires 16.8moa vertical adjustment, so that's a known. To shoot 500yds, you need to add 1.5moa to 475yds. Another known.
1moa at 475yds is 4.75" .5moa = 2.3"
4.75 + 2.3 = 7"
NOTE: No one should be shooting long range and not KNOW the distance. Its why range finders were invented.
Well…some real data would be wonderful. The last time we had this discussion about “400 yard elk bullets” (in a December thread), he said he had no data and was guessing based on reports from hunters…Not sure if Luke is following this, but I'm pretty sure he could answer any of your questions about bullet performance with the XLD's. I believe if one goes to his web site, one would find that those bullets work exceptionally well on elk and at range.
Ok. Here's a chart without the drop from zero in inches.Now wait a min Encore..I'm a bit confused or you're not using the correct figures. 12.2" between 475-500 yards is still 12.2" no matter how you look at it.
12.2 / 1.05 = 11.62; 11.62 / 5 = 2.3 MOA not 2.3"
Better question is how many have been lost by round ball hunters. Of course, shot placement is critical but alone it doesn’t kill anything. The projectile has to have proper construction, weight and speed for effective terminal performance.However, for consideration, I wonder how many elk have been harvested with a round ball, a projectile that would just shoot a hole through the animal, if not stop within?
So, is it shot placement that matters most, or that a bullet must perform perfectly to a specific standard?
1 MOA at 400 yds is actually 4.2" so, 4.2" x 22.8 = 95.8"Ok. Here's a chart without the drop from zero in inches.
1moa at 400yds is 4".
How much drop is there from 400yds to 425yds?
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Well is it 17" or 12"????? NOTE: THE LAST CHART IS NEW WITH LESS VELOCITY.1 MOA at 400 yds is actually 4.2" so, 4.2" x 22.8 = 95.8"
at 425 drop equals 1.05 x 4.25 x 25.3 = 112.9
so a difference of 17.1"
Do those numbers match up?
The above was the question using these 2 bullets.... "fury startip in 275 grain and the arrowhead XLD 300 grain", in the opening post..So far the answer is no, so why have all this extra argument about unproven stuff based on paper? If anyone has proof, like a picture or video of an actual elk kill at 500 yards or greater using either of the mentioned bullets, using a muzzie, out west, please speak up."Does anyone have any real life experiance with either of these on elk at longer distance and if so how did it perform?"
I think thats where our difference is coming in. I'm not calculating the difference from 400 to 425 yards. I'm calculating th drop distance from 100 yards for each distance.Well is it 17" or 12"????? NOTE: THE LAST CHART IS NEW WITH LESS VELOCITY.
I guess we can use 1.047, but most are using 1.
If I need 22.8 minutes for 400yds, and I need 25.3 minutes for 425yds, what I need to reach from 400yds to 425yds is an additional 2.5moa.
400yds......... 4 x 1.047" = 4.188" x 2 + 8.376" + 4.188" / 2 = 2.094" + 8.376" = 10.47" additional elevation.
If one was to use 1" as a MOA, then 10" more elevation is required.
Yes sir I agree.I think thats where our difference is coming in. I'm not calculating the difference from 400 to 425 yards. I'm calculating th drop distance from 100 yards for each distance.
Try doing that and see what you come uo with.
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