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  1. AveragEd

    209 primer thoughts

    That's great info on the 700 Ultimate - thank you. As a Remington fan (I own over 20 Model 700s or rifles based upon that action alone), I was hoping that new muzzleloader would live up to its hype but neither of mine did. As I said, I kept the one I on which I changed recoil pads but probably...
  2. AveragEd

    209 primer thoughts

    Now that you mention the IMR connection to Blue MZ, I do recall reading something about that a few years ago. Thank you for the reminder. For me, memory was the second thing to go and I can't recall what the first one was. Well, I guess I'm just lucky because both my ProChrono and Labradar...
  3. AveragEd

    Hello from Pennsylvania

    Welcome from another central Pennsylvania olde phart! I live in Enola, right across the Susquehanna from Harrisburg (aka: Felony Flats) and visit the Inline Forum here just every now and then. I used to do a lot of trapshooting - was our state's Class AA Champion in 2000 - and shot at Hegins...
  4. AveragEd

    209 primer thoughts

    I guess my two T/Cs and 700 rifles are exceptions as they are only about 20fps behind Blackhorn 209 with the same volume of powder. And I think the crud ring thing is specific to powders as I got it with Triple Seven and Pyrodex but not with Blackhorn 209 and Black MZ. Hey, it's all in what...
  5. AveragEd

    209 primer thoughts

    I don't use Blackhorn 209 due to its potentially corrosive nature. Back when it first came out, I bought a bottle ($38.00 for 10 ounces!?) and didn't see any improvement in accuracy or muzzle velocity compared to Alliant's Black MZ plus I was concerned about the cleaning warnings so I called...
  6. AveragEd

    209 primer thoughts

    A recent shooting magazine (I forget which one) contained an article by a respected author who stated that using non-muzzleloader-specific 209 primers can lead to a reduction in accuracy through higher muzzle velocity deviation. He stated that the higher energy of standard 209s can move the...
  7. AveragEd

    Remington Ultimate

    Wow - that's some great shooting! I'm in envy. I was sent a Model 700UML for review last August and had a couple of problems right out of the box. First, every fired case comes out with the primer backed out a good deal. That would normally indicate a headspace concern but Remington never...
  8. AveragEd

    New Powders for easy cleaning

    My first time back here in a while - I tend to drift from centerfire rifles to handguns to muzzleloaders and so on. But when I saw this recent thread, I had to check in. I don't see anyone mentioning Alliant's relatively new black powder substitute, BlackMZ. The stuff smokes less than loose...
  9. AveragEd

    Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader

    Come on - pellets might not be the newest black powder fuel but they are very modern as a type of muzzleloader propellant. The vast majority of "average Joe" (to use someone else's descriptive) modern muzzleloader buyers are big-game hunters. If they were going to use the rifle for benchrest...
  10. AveragEd

    Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader

    Speaking of the case being pushed tight to the breech plug by the bolt, I wonder if my rifle has excessive headspace as the expended primers are standing proud of the cases upon extraction. I have been in communication with Randy Wakeman regarding the 700UML and he isn't bashful about his...
  11. AveragEd

    Most accurate bullet/sabot combo?

    Physically, perhaps not but there is a "directly" when it comes to the financials... Ed
  12. AveragEd

    Most accurate bullet/sabot combo?

    I was going to be a wise acre and reply "with a credit card" but 22's explanation is better. Gun manufacturers furnish test products to outdoor writers that way all the time. Test-firing so far has amounted to very little due to some time constraints but my first scope-checking group at 25...
  13. AveragEd

    Most accurate bullet/sabot combo?

    The rifle arrived this afternoon. I mounted and bore-sighted the 3-9x Leupold UltimateSlam that was on my Omega and plan to test some loads tomorrow morning. Apparently the model I requested with the Bell & Carlson Medalist stock is not available yet as I received the laminated stock version...
  14. AveragEd

    Most accurate bullet/sabot combo?

    I received some updated information from Remington yesterday on the cases the ignition system uses. They have the same external dimensions as a shortened case from any cartridge in the .308/.30-06 family so any die that will pass over one can be used to deprime them but they differ internally...
  15. AveragEd

    Most accurate bullet/sabot combo?

    From the posts to this thread and the PMs I've received, I am assuming that not much has changed in the inline muzzleloading bullet world over the past couple of years. Thanks for confirming that I needn't spend much time beating the bushes in search of new projectiles - pretty much the old...
  16. AveragEd

    Most accurate bullet/sabot combo?

    Thank you for that explanation. Ed
  17. AveragEd

    Most accurate bullet/sabot combo?

    Please understand that as stated in my last post, I have neither the need for or the desire to shoot a 200-grain equivalent charge as my happy hunting grounds are like yours. The rifle will have to be blazingly more accurate with four pellets for me to consider using that much. I have tried...
  18. AveragEd

    Most accurate bullet/sabot combo?

    Well, I hate to get off on your wrong foot but I am a compensated writer. As my bio on my profile indicates, I am a contributing editor for Shotgun Sports Magazine. Even though this is not a shotgun, being an outdoor writer gives me access to guns and other shooting hardware for review. In...
  19. AveragEd

    Most accurate bullet/sabot combo?

    I have a new Remington Model 700ULM (Ultimate MuzzleLoader) in a Bell & Carlson Medalist stock due to arrive this week and am wondering if there are any bullets and sabots that have come along in the last couple of years that, based upon your experiences, might be worth trying. I previously...
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