You can keep the target gun shooting at long range. I'll just hunt my little 100 to 200 yards. I would just get closer to the animal and be more confident in the shot placementYou're in the long range forum. 500yds isn't really long range anymore, not when we're shooting twice that far. Review the chart I posted above. At 500yds there more than enough energy for game and that's only using 120grs VOLUME of BH209.
Stick around and learn LONG RANGE.
Nothing wrong with closer.You can keep the target gun shooting at long range. I'll just hunt my little 100 to 200 yards. I would just get closer to the animal and be more confident in the shot placement
Reality check: There are more people shooting to 500yds than you can imagine. EVERY muzzleloader can be a "LONG RANGE" muzzleloader. However, most hunters never try.
The OP was asking about bullets but, it appears he practices "LONG RANGE", as he's already stated the above. Because some can't or won't, doesn't mean that others are not highly capable and confident. And yes, people that are NOT shooting 1,000yds.
Encore the OP never said he shot long range. I believe he posted here as this is where he might get the best advice for what he needs. He said the guide requested him to be capable of a 400-500 yard shot. Maybe he is just going to try this. Let's face it, even with a very flat shooting centerfire rifle most hunters would have a hard time hitting an elk shoulder size target at 500 yards. With a muzzleloader its even "trickier" because of the trajectory of the projectile. At those ranges a misread of just 25 yards would result in a complete miss.
As for me, none of my muzzleloaders are set up for ranges past 200-250 yards solely because of the optics on them. I applaud those that shoot muzzys long range. Its something that takes a lot of time and effort to be sufficient at. Something I don't have much of these days.
Reading his post, it .... appears .... that he does shoot long range, feeling "....extremely comfortable in my abilities out to that range".Its a september rut hunt. Mixture of open sage and aspen country. The guide has requested be capable to 400-500 yards. I feel extremly comfortable in my abilitys out to that range. I agree with the 300 grain minimum
Ok, I’m “following” your chart. Check my math for me. The difference in a 25 yard range error (475 to 500 yards) is 12.2 inches. That sounds like a miss on an animal with a 15-18” vital zone…Follow the chart. Its the same data used in the first chart, just limited to 500yds and at 25yd intervals. Using a 25yd difference from 475 to 500yds, you're talking 1.5moa difference.
No. You're using drop from ZERO. From 475 to 500 you need 1.5moa, which is 7". Holding center mass, you're going to kill the animal.The drop from 475 to 500 is 12.2” on your chart. If you dial for 475, and hold center of vitals on an elk that is actually at 500, you’re going to miss. Am I right?
Quite frankly, I'll kill anything I intend to harvest at long range. 500yds is a chip shot.I wouldn’t be shooting at any elk long range if I were you…
Not if your range finder is off by 25 yards it isn’t (which is pretty common in the west). You’d miss that elk at 500 and not even know why. And it may be a “chip” on a range but it isn’t when actually hunting elk.Quite frankly, I'll kill anything I intend to harvest at long range. 500yds is a chip shot.
Huge difference between you and I when it comes to confidence. No, I'm not going to miss any animal I intend to harvest at 500yds. And I'm not going to be taking any wild ask shots. If the conditions are right, its meat in the freezer from 500yds.Not if your range finder is off by 25 yards it isn’t (which is pretty common in the west). You’d miss that elk at 500 and not even know why. And it may be a “chip” on a range but it isn’t when actually hunting elk.
Exactly what has how many elk anyone has killed make any difference? For God's sake, the animal is huge.Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree on whether or not you understand your own chart. Tell us again how many elk you’ve killed.
Yes, I have, and beyond that.
I’d love to but I’ll be hunting elk in September…Exactly what has how many elk anyone has killed make any difference? For God's sake, the animal is huge.
Yup, we'll agree to disagree on how I read my chart. But I'm winning or placing at 1,000yds with a muzzleloader, so it seems that my chart reading is pretty darn good. But you can disagree with me on that
In September, there's another 1,000yd match at Camp Atterbury. You should come and shoot with us. 5 relays at 1k. Everybody helps one another. After the last relays on Sunday, you could head over to Friendship and shoot in the Nationals too.
Again, I highly doubt you've harvested the numbers of animals I have with a muzzleloader. I'm a hunter first, paper puncher second.I’d love to but I’ll be hunting elk in September…
Yeah. Paper punchers giving advice on elk hunting. Classic.
Better yet. How bout you come out and go elk hunting this fall. You can tote DoNotMiss around up and down mountains for a week or ten days then see if you can actually make that 500 yard (or is it 475 yards) shot?! Let’s do it!So how about next June when we shoot summer again? No elk hunting that I know of in June............ Same deal. Shoot at Atterbury, then head over to Friendship for the summer Nationals. You have more than enough time to plan ahead.
Get me the permit................... not in Colorado.Better yet. How bout you come out and go elk hunting this fall. You can tote DoNotMiss around up and down mountains for a week or ten days then see if you can actually make that 500 yard (or is it 475 yards) shot?! Let’s do it!
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