Re: Cost of Powder
52bore,
I know we got off on the wrong foot, but I have already forgiven you for the nice comments about my chair riding abilities in that earlier post. I grew up on a farm, have extremely thick skin, and I have never been accused of sugar coating anything. So yeah, blunt might be the word. Oh, and I really do shoot when I have time. I have a range 50 yards out my back door. Even still, it seems it is never enough lately.
We need to set aside any argument when it comes to unsafe information posted here or anywhere. Safety has to be first and foremost. Sometimes we need to police our own ranks to keep people safe. We have a lot of lurkers here to glean information, and we need to make sure they are getting good safe information.
The Volumetric Unit of measuring Black Powder Substitutes is the Industry Standard. This is and has always been that way. Yes, all powders can be converted to weight, after we know what the conversion rate is.
In your first post in this thread, pertaining to your Blackhorn 209 chart. The last 4 weights you have posted (85, 90, 95, and 100) are all unsafe overloads for any bullet according to Western Powders. If this chart were in Volume equivalents, there would be no problem. The maximum Volumetric charge is 120 grains by Volume, and the maximum charge by Weight is
84 grains. Please go back and remove the last 4 so somebody doesn't copy your chart, thinking these are safe loads. They are not.
I understand this is entirely up to you, but I also know Hal and the Moderators like to keep things safe around here. You never know when that 14 year old boy sees that information and thinks he can stoke his San Pan Special
I hope we can put this all behind us? Oh, and if you want to see that "energetic" word, see #7 below.
The Following information is for anyone that is new to Blackhorn 209, or looking at it for the first time. I have quoted some valuable information, but do yourself a favor and click on every link on the site if you are interested in this powder. There is a HUGE learning curve when it comes to Blackhorn 209, but nothing a little reading and a few questions cannot clear up.
Here is a link to the load data from Western Powders on the Blackhorn 209 site. These loads have all been safely tested in their pressure barrels at their Ballistic Lab in Miles City, Montana. Click on the view box for the load data for muzzleloading rifles.
http://www.blackhorn209.com/load-data/
Here is their FAQ page, and lots of good information to help bring people up to speed quickly and safely.
7. My gun is rated for 150 grains. Can I shoot 150 grains of Blackhorn 209?
Typically, guns are rated for 150 grains of black powder or Pyrodex. Blackhorn 209 is more energetic and will achieve or exceed the velocities of Pyrodex with less powder. See our load data page for maximum volumetric charges.
10. Your charge recommendations are in Volumetric Units. What are these and is it the same as weight in grains?
Volumetric Units are NOT the same as weight in grains. Blackhorn is used by volume and therefore the charge is a measurement by volume. A volume charge is measured with a standard black powder measure. It is not weighed and a setting of 100 does not mean that you have 100 grains by weight, not even black powder. The loading densities of all substitutes and grades of black powder are different. The same volume of any will yield different weights of powder
5. Can I weigh my charges?
Yes. If you prefer to weigh charges, you can convert the volume load recommendations into weighed grains by multiplying the volume load by 0.7. Example: 100 units by volume x 0.7 = 70 grains by weight. 110 volume charge x 0.7 = 77 grains by weight
18. Can I use Conical bullets with Blackhorn 209?
In many cases conical bullets may work fine. However, results vary depending on the many factors so we cannot recommend conical bullets. However, many shooters have reported good results with Hornady FPB and Thor bullets.
19. I have your original guide that does not recommend bullets above 350 grains. Does this still apply?
Our original testing did not proceed beyond 350 grain bullets and as such, was not included in our first published load guide. See our current load data page for specific loads
http://www.blackhorn209.com/faqs/
Blackhorn 209 Advantages.
Blackhorn 209 is a low residue, high performance propellant made for muzzleloaders and black powder cartridges. It is engineered to consistently shoot at higher velocities and with greater accuracy than any other muzzleloader powder available today. In fact, if you compare the advantages of Blackhorn 209, you will quickly see there are nine areas where Blackhorn 209 simply smokes the competition:
1. Superior Ballistics and Unbeatable Accuracy
At volume equivalents, Blackhorn 209 is ballistically superior to other muzzleloading propellants. It consistently delivers higher velocities and remarkable accuracy – something every shooter expects but has rarely experienced with other propellants. When using Blackhorn 209, your muzzleloader will consistently perform at peak levels of accuracy. With the industry’s lowest standard deviations, you can count on Blackhorn 209 for precise performance and repeatable results.
The other 8 are in this link.
http://www.blackhorn209.com/specs/advantages/
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