Grouse,my sights are removed. I can't see them that well,so most of my guns are scoped. On a side note: I was out yesterday shooting the gun,and noticed it was shooting left @ 100yds. So I figured it was the cross wind. I went to another loaction in a hallow,where the wind couldn't effect the shot,and it was still shooting left! :shock: I then moved the target to 50yds.and it was still off. So I removed the turret cover and adjusted the windage( or so I thought), next shot same group,three more clicks,and next shot same group! I turned the turret 8 clicks,and shot again ,same group. So I now know the Sightron SII 3X9X42 has went South! I'm gonna call them today and see if it can be repaired or replaced by,the end of Dec. Our last season is in January. So I thought I would change out the Bases and rings while I was at it. I have the T/c Gorilla Rings and bases on it right now. They are strong,but I think the Maxima bases and rings might be even stronger. Ron