Thanks. I have some of the MMP, the 45 cal are tan, but they aren't the same diamter, a few thou smaller. I'll have to look around and try to find the Harvester locally. TC sells their 50 cal sabots seperately, expensive but seperate, but they don't sell the 45 cal. I just picked up the MMP, so maybe they'll shoot well, we'll see Friday afternoon. I can keep buying the 180 XTP, it's just cheaper to buy them in bulk than 30 at a time.