I wanted to give everyone an update my search for a new muzzle loader. Jeff Fisk (Bestill Creations) made me a smokeless muzzle loader using a CVA APEX 45/70. I told Jeff I wanted the rifle to have less recoil than my Knight KP1 that shot 120gr 777. Jeff added a muzzle brake to the rifle and even my son says it has less recoil than his 243! My only complaint is that the Apex shoots better than many of my other rifles. We just got back from the range today and we had two 1/2" groups at 100 yards. I'm looking forward to shooting longer distances in a few weeks. Thanks for everyone's recommendations and for steering me to Jeff. And by the way, I have found it to be a rare occurance when dealing with someone that provides exceptional customer service and Jeff exceeded my expectations. Exceptional communication, taking the time to thoroughly answer my questions, following up with me on numerous emails and phone calls, it is clear that Jeff is dedicated to making sure his customers have a great experience. Thanks again everyone!