Lyman 457121PH

[flounder]

Pretty much the same, between .456 and .457

 

[Idaholewis]

Question: What is the diameter of this 457121PH bullet cast with pure lead out of the mold?

I wonder why/what made Lyman decide to Label this Bullet the Whitworth?

 

[flounder]

Believe it or not I think when cast in pure soft lead that bullet is suppose to obturate to the shape of the Whitworth barrel and work quite well.

 

[52Bore]

I thought it would be .457ish as the mold is marked such. The bullet of that size will never go down a .451” Whitworth easily- probably will need a hammer or such?
SAD and another example of ignorance or arrogance or both. I’ve seen this type crap from ML companies more than I ever thought I would..all they have to do is know a little ML history.

 

[edmehlig]

Believe it not I didn’t seem to have an issue resizing them to 452 or 451 with pure lead and already lubed (I pan lube my bullets first before sizing). Now if they weren’t lubed yep I could see rolled/edges on the base of the bullets. At least that was my experience.

 

[52Bore]

Ed, no doubt sizing in a press can achieve a desired diameter.
Lyman molds are stated to cast their #2 alloy to the mold diameter - .457..
The PH (Whitworth) bullet should be .451-.452. Cast and shoot.

 

[451whitworth]

I wonder why/what made Lyman decide to Label this Bullet the Whitworth?

Because they came included with The Parker Hale repro rifle when they started selling them back in the late '70's.

 

[451whitworth]

Ed, no doubt sizing in a press can achieve a desired diameter.
Lyman molds are stated to cast their #2 alloy to the mold diameter - .457..
The PH (Whitworth) bullet should be .451-.452. Cast and shoot.

Lyman chose an old cataloged existing design for the PH repro rifle probably because of existing tooling. Also included with the rifle along with the mold was a sizing die.

 

[flounder]

No doubt I'd like it better if it didn't require as much sizing. It sure goes through the sizer easy though, probably due to its design. It sure shoots well too. The main thing I have against the mold/design is how much I have to beat on the handle nut to get it to release the bullet. This one http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=45-500A-D.png
from Accurate is very similar. I'm wondering if any of you have shot it.

 

[edmehlig]

I like the design just its a lot of Lead.

 

[45-70]

No doubt I'd like it better if it didn't require as much sizing. It sure goes through the sizer easy though, probably due to its design. It sure shoots well too. The main thing I have against the mold/design is how much I have to beat on the handle nut to get it to release the bullet. This one http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=45-500A-D.png
from Accurate is very similar. I'm wondering if any of you have shot it.

yes in a HP , made by 52 bore , here is a picture

 

[flounder]

I got lotsa lead Ed.

 

[Idaholewis]

No doubt I'd like it better if it didn't require as much sizing. It sure goes through the sizer easy though, probably due to its design. It sure shoots well too. The main thing I have against the mold/design is how much I have to beat on the handle nut to get it to release the bullet. This one http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=45-500A-D.png
from Accurate is very similar. I'm wondering if any of you have shot it.

That Accurate Molds Bullet does look an AWFUL Lot like this Lyman Bullet

 

[451whitworth]

That Accurate Molds Bullet does look an AWFUL Lot like this Lyman Bullet

Accurate does make a copy of the Lyman 457121. It's in the catalog as the 46-467L. I have a two cavity that drops .452"

 

[edmehlig]

Too bad they didn’t make the bands/groves wider to eliminate the Bullets from sticking in the mold.

 

[45-70]

That Accurate Molds Bullet does look an AWFUL Lot like this Lyman Bullet

That is what it was made from originally by 52 Bore , made nose longer and drilled bottom for HP plug

 

[52Bore]

That is what it was made from originally by 52 Bore , made nose longer and drilled bottom for HP plug

That mold was the 451114 Volunteer mold.