fivebull said:
I am thinking that you might be addressing me, so I will answer - nobody I am retired and really old. What's more I do not even shoot BH - I have shot it quite a bit of it - but basically I shoot GOEX and T7 both 2f and 3f. BH is to expensive for my shooting. But it is still probably one of the best powders out there if you can use it.
I don't need convinced about BH209 , but it seems to me every thread ends up mine is better no middle ground. The statement more consistant is not so.
Each site member has his or her own preferences and hopefully the preferences they have chosen have proven themselves to each member that used what they use. The guy and gals caught in the middle are the rookies coming here for direction. I think we all try very hard to steer them to what works well for us. And very few of us totally agree on everything.
None of this makes your choice of Swiss any less correct for you and anybody else that choose to use it or any other powder. It does ruffle feathers when you challenge all other that your way might be the best way. And in most cases people on this sites prefer their choices versus some one else's.
Your point blank remark that:
Here is a fact, 150 grn is not needed nor 2500 fts. to take deer or 90% of North American Game. All Muzzle Loading loads are also based on charges by volume. Even BH209. Shooters need to stop worrying about speed is often viewed as a challenge to what ever other people might do. Your fact is certainly a fact but it is not the choice of others. And I can only speak for myself but I honestly do prefer velocity to slow on most all occasions. Also at this time there numbers members here that do not use volume measure at all anymore - weighing is becoming more popular all the time. I am not one of them, I much prefer 'volume' but we can not always assume that 'volume' is the type of measurement being discussed.
I also believe that is what is driving the Modern ML market at this time - it is not what we could do but more what can we do to move to greater efficiency for each one of us. If the past was good enough we would not make a future and that is probably not the American or modern man way. Man has always strived to improve on everything they do - it is a carrot extended in front of or noses and we keep reaching.
This sight always argues over who's is best and any other need not apply.
There are certainly some folks on here that way but you really need to look and see if somebody else's statement caused the reaction.
Forget long range , no one needs 2300 fts to kill deer at less than 200 yds. so why the push if black or any sub will work at what has been stated , 100 yd. is average range.
Depending on which bullet you might be using velocity can be a factor and I would add depending on what animal you might be hunting and in what kind of terrain can be a factor in the need for velocity.
Let me ask this - why do you use Swiss versus the most common BP GOEX? The majority of BP hunters, shooters, Rondy users shoot GOEX out here.
Hope some of this makes some sense to you.