Well I've been struggling to find a great bullet for my Elite but I'm finally very verysatisfied and don't intend to try anything else after trying almost everything out there. Last year I used the 200 SST's with very good accuracy but poor performance on deer. The 200 SST's came apart and never passed thru and lost 75% of weight, no blood trails in southern cutover country with just 75 grns weighed T7. Well I bought some of Cecil's 260 grn. 40 -50s Elite hollow points during his recession sale. They looked great right out the pack. I ran my first test with them yesterday with 75 grns weighed T777 and they shot one ragged hole at 80 yards. I will try to work my load up a little hotter next weekend as my shots this year have been long in my 160 acre cutover. I love lead as I've killed many deer with it in the past and always had 100% perfect results with great mushrooms and probably near 95% or better weight retention. These bullets have a great ballistic coefficient for muzzleloaders and they were a very good price including sabots, I bought the large quantity on sale. Also if you run a spitpatch they load very easy but not so easy you have to worry about them unseating. First time I've ever tried them but I give them 10 stars. After the season I will work on a Blackhorn load with them for next year. (Cecil Epp - Precision Rifle Bullets) Thx for a great bullet Cecil if you read this thread, I love them.