Question on powder charge

[lonewolf5348]

I been testing a new impact on loads it shoots best . I find it favors t/c shockwave both blue and yellow tip.
The BH 209 load I use is 90 gr. But I also lean more to 80 grains of powder.
Now should I stay with the non bonded yellow tip or use the blue bonded bullet at 80 grains

 

[exMember]

Personally I think 80 and 90gr are pretty light for the shockwaves to open and work properly. Have you tried at least 100- 110 gr bh209?

 

[lonewolf5348]

I had shoulder repaired a few years back if anything 90 gr. For me is Max

 

[exMember]

ok I can certainly understand that!

If 90gr is max, you really should look into the hornady xtp or even the harvester scorpion pt gold. 90gr is pretty light for the shockwave.

 

[Buck Conner1]

Have to agree with Jonathan on this.   :Red tup:

 

[smokering]

If anything in shockwave use the yellow non bonded, people have had trouble with them not expanding.. I don't use them to hunt, they shoot good in every gun I've owned but my experience is they are too hard, I now shoot scorpions and Barnes.

 

[lonewolf5348]

https://ibb.co/q9567bY
I ran some Thompson center cheap shots the other day at the 100 yd  benched
80 gr. 209 powder
The first 2 shots left then a few click on the scope.
Not bad for lead h.p.

 

[smokering]

Not bad at all. I know from experience that the xtp's are wicked on whitetails. I think they shoot right with the cheap shots, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Okie Hog]

If anything in shockwave use the yellow non bonded, people have had trouble with them not expanding.. I don't use them to hunt,

Years ago i used the 250 grain SST and the 250 grain Shockwave interchangeably. That was a mistake. Had some long deer dragging jobs after Shockwaves failed to expand. i won't use any Shockwave bullet.

The 250 grain SST and the 300 grain .452 XTP have worked very well for me.

 

[Newtire]

We hunt with 80 grains of BH209 and the bonded 250 grain shockwaves. We’ve probably shot a dozen deer with that combination and none have gotten out of sight.  The longest shot was 90 yards.

 

[lonewolf5348]

I was given some 45 cal. 240 gr. Hornady bullets with green sabot came in the same box.
.430 diameter.
I mic it at .507 theses will never get down the impact rifle bore.
I wonder about crush ribs from harvester . thanks

 

[oneshot1]

https://ibb.co/q9567bY
I ran some Thompson center cheap shots the other day at the 100 yd  benched
80 gr. 209 powder
The first 2 shots left then a few click on the scope.
Not bad for lead h.p.

Used them many years hunting and have killed Deer, Sheep and Hogs with them. 240Gr. Cheap Shot Sabots.

oneshot

 

[smokering]

I use the TC branded xtp;s that are .451 I think they are using the m.m.p sabot's. They are a little stiff to load in the tc but not a lot. The crush ribs may be loose with the .430 bullet. If I remember correctly the crush rib is more for the .451 bullet.( The black crush rib)

 

[Okie Hog]

I was given some 45 cal. 240 gr. Hornady bullets with green sabot came in the same box.
.430 diameter.
I mic it at .507 theses will never get down the impact rifle bore.

Green sabots are used with .429-.430 bullets.

 

[lonewolf5348]

Going to with 44 cal xtp non mag.with 80 gr. Volume bh209 green harvester crush rib set up
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[Blacksheep]

Along these lines I've been experimenting with a T/C encore Khatadin 20 inch ml barrel with 100 gr with the 300 gr xtp and 250 gr Monoflex whew its a handful . I'm backing the charge down to about 90 hopefully this is fast emough for the monoflex to open its a toss-up accuracy wise but the recoil is brutal.

 

[CVA Enthusiast]

My hardest deal with Black Powder was to take a week with my 3 rifles and do me a "Recipe Book" How many grains of BP to which projectile yields ME the results I am looking for. Thus being said Shock Wave 130 grains powder at 100 yards yields ME 2.5/3 inch group 5 rounds consistent. However I am not looking for much more. Each one of us yields a different group with same powder/ same powder charge and same Bullet No two bp rifles produce duplicate groups.

 

[Blacksheep]

I did drop the charge to 90 grains and then changed the bullet to the 300 gr Deep Curl wow .  Cut my groups by 3/4 of an of an inch.  Right down to about  1 inch and they were repeatable because i just basically shot a nice circle out of the target.  Now I hope those Deep Curls work on deer.