Real black and paper patch cast bullet

[WyomingWhitetail]

I'm just curious, has any one ever played with shooting a paper patch lead bullet over top of real black powder out of an inline? Old school long range style. What are your experiences?

 

[idahoron]

I've been shooting paper patched bullets with pyrodex P since 2008.
Lewis started shooting paper patched bullets with black powder sometime after 2016.

 

[WyomingWhitetail]

What kinda bullets are you guys shooting, what sort of loads, what's your ranges and groups like?

Just curious. I'm more into roundball longrifles but I've always been interested in the long range muzzleloaders like the first Creedmoor matches. Had the thought they other day that an inline might be a cheap way to play with some of that stuff.

 

[X-ring]

I'm just curious, has any one ever played with shooting a paper patch lead bullet over top of real black powder out of an inline? Old school long range style. What are your experiences?

90 gr. 1 1/2 Swiss, .060 polywad, 540 gr. PP bullet. Wipe between shots. Excellent accuracy. X

 

[X-ring]

90 gr. 1 1/2 Swiss, .060 polywad, 540 gr. PP bullet. Wipe between shots. Excellent accuracy. X

P.S. You will need at least a 20 minute sight base because of the rainbow trajectory.

 

[WyomingWhitetail]

How far out do you shoot and what twist are you running for the 540?

 

[idahoron]

What kinda bullets are you guys shooting, what sort of loads, what's your ranges and groups like?

Just curious. I'm more into roundball longrifles but I've always been interested in the long range muzzleloaders like the first Creedmoor matches. Had the thought they other day that an inline might be a cheap way to play with some of that stuff.

For me I'm using a paper patched Lee 500S&W bullet paper patched and sized to fit my 50's.

I have two different bullets for my 45's.
An RCBS 11mm rifle bullet patched and sized to. 446
And a Accurate mold. 442 paper patched and sized to. 446

You van watch some of my video's on YouTube. All three of those bullets shoot well out to 300. The Accurate mould bullets shoot well out to 500 yards.

All three of those bullets have shot sub 1" at times. They are sub 2" all the time with peep sights.

My two trigger Renegade shooting my Lee 500S&W bullets is what I used to shoot my bull in 2020 at 248 yards.

I use the same Lee 500S&W bullet in my knight mk85.

 

[WyomingWhitetail]

idahoron, very cool. What twist barrels are in your guns ?

 

[idahoron]

idahoron, very cool. What twist barrels are in your guns ?

Sorry for the late reply. My 50's are 1-28 twist. My 45's are 1-30 twist.
I use the same 50 in my mk85's.

 

[exarcher]

For me I'm using a paper patched Lee 500S&W bullet paper patched and sized to fit my 50's.

I have two different bullets for my 45's.
An RCBS 11mm rifle bullet patched and sized to. 446
And a Accurate mold. 442 paper patched and sized to. 446

You van watch some of my video's on YouTube. All three of those bullets shoot well out to 300. The Accurate mould bullets shoot well out to 500 yards.

All three of those bullets have shot sub 1" at times. They are sub 2" all the time with peep sights.

My two trigger Renegade shooting my Lee 500S&W bullets is what I used to shoot my bull in 2020 at 248 yards.

I use the same Lee 500S&W bullet in my knight mk85.

when you say sub 1 inch or sub 2 inch,, what distance are you speaking of?? 100yds?? tia! kirk

 

[idahoron]

when you say sub 1 inch or sub 2 inch,, what distance are you speaking of?? 100yds?? tia! kirk

That's 100 yards. One of these groups is at 200 yards.
Back when I set those rifles up my goal was 2" groups or less. That was achieved with each rifle often enough I was happy with them. During those load development days I had some that went sub 1". It didn't happen enough for me to call them 1" guns. The group that says paper patched minie is sub 1" but I didn't use that load. Over several times out this was the best and it was a 5 shot group. But the bullet was lighter than I really wanted. It was a solid 3" I would say.
The group that has a note 1500. If you read it was a Hornady 410 gr. It measured .402 Hornady stopped making them.

 

[idahoron]

when you say sub 1 inch or sub 2 inch,, what distance are you speaking of?? 100yds?? tia! kirk

This group is interesting. There is two different groups in this paper. The top group was paper patched. The bottom group were shot no paper only greased.

 

[45-70]

I'm just curious, has any one ever played with shooting a paper patch lead bullet over top of real black powder out of an inline? Old school long range style. What are your experiences?

yep

 

[exarcher]

This group is interesting. There is two different groups in this paper. The top group was paper patched. The bottom group were shot no paper only greased.

same bullet?? bet you shot "paper" the next time you used that bullet?? (lots of documented good shooting there!)

 

[52Bore]

Putting my LR percussion rifle loads into an in-line was quite easy..
Started playing with BH209 after and found it gave no better accuracy- only easier to use.

 

[45-70]

This group is interesting. There is two different groups in this paper. The top group was paper patched. The bottom group were shot no paper only greased.

greased bullet might not be right size

 

[idahoron]

greased bullet might not be right size

Or those bullets paper patched just shoot better.

 

[45-70]

Or those bullets paper patched just shoot better.

i have shot a few and you are wrapping grease groove correct

 

[45-70]

1000 yd. 90 grn 2ff , 530 pp bullet

 

[idahoron]

i have shot a few and you are wrapping grease groove correct

Those bullets were Lee 405 gr hollow base trap door bullets.
Yes I wrapped grease groove bullets.