Removing Crud ring in the field

[vaguru]

Normally I would do a "wet" patch and a dry patch. Just wondering if it can be removed/lessened by using a brush? One of our Optima's won't allow a fully seated loading after 2 shots.

Thanks for replies.

 

[Pymahunter1]

Do a spit patch followed by a dry patch.

 

[JeffB1961]

what powder/pellet and primer are you using ?
if you can afford to use dollar bills or $20 for cleaning patches you may want to try blackhorn 209 .

 

[deermanok]

Push a damp patch down the barrel to the bottom and give it a few clockwise twists, same with a dry patch.

 

[snapbang]

I do a spit patch after every shot. Regardless of powder. When using T7 I can feel the crud ring and with a few strokes I can feel it dissolve. There is no more crud ring when I'm done with the spit patch.

 

[52Bore]

After 2 shots - afield?
What are you hunting?

 

[txhunter58]

I always use a spit patch and dry patch for 777, pyrodex, and blackpowder. But would never do that for BH 209. It’s not water soluble

 

[ronlaughlin]

But the soot is water soluble.

One trick learned accidentally, is use a black powder cleanser on the first patch when cleaning rifles after shooting Blackhorn. The wet patch cuts the Blackhorn soot right now. Works way better than running the traditional dry patch first.

The black powder cleanser also cleans breech plugs right now, after shooting Blackhorn.

Use the smokeless solvent after using the black powder cleanser. Rifle cleaning after shooting Blackhorn becomes so much easier, much like cleaning after shooting 777.

 

[phalanx]

Ron,

I discovered that same cleaning process by mistake this past weekend! Cleanup in my Knights was so much easier!
John

 

[sabotloader]

Normally I would do a "wet" patch and a dry patch. Just wondering if it can be removed/lessened by using a brush? One of our Optima's won't allow a fully seated loading after 2 shots.

Thanks for replies.

This is my procedure... I use a slightly damp patch treated with Blue Windex. I I have to emphasize 'slightly damp' and when you reach the "Crud Ring" near the bottom of the barrel then use very short repetitive strokes until you go through the ring.

I do not use a dry patch at all. The ammonia in the Windex combined with the warm barrel aids the rapid drying of the dampness that remails in the barrel.

A big help in clearing and defeating the 'crud ring' - do not use any petroleum products in the bore -Synthetic Oils only.

 

[ronlaughlin]

I discovered that same cleaning process by mistake this past weekend! Cleanup in my Knights was so much easier!
John

The ease of cleaning Blackhorn using black powder cleaner is utterly amazing. The accidental discovery was quite a surprise. All because Blackhorn isn't easily found, and is a way too spendy.

 

[southdakbearfan]

If you are using a regular 209 primer I suggest a switch to a muzzleloading specific primer. The change in the amount of the crud ring is significant in my optima using T7 or White Hot pellets when I switched to the Winchester T7 muzzleloading 209 primer.

Another potential place that may help is switching sabots. I notice a significant difference on second shot seating difficulty between T/C and Harvester crush rib sabots.

In my optima with regular W209’s it’s about 3 shots with crush rib sabots. I have went as far as 7 shots using the T7 209 primer.

I do carry patches dampened with windex to patch if needed.

 

[MrTom]

IF you are going to switch to the weaker primers and are using T7 propellants In cold weather I suggest you hit the range beforehand in cold weather to be sure the primers will reliably ignite the charge. Before I switch to BH209 powder I shot T7 in both pellet and granular form and used the weaker primers to try and get away from the crud ring and experience several hang/mis-fires when the temps went below 25 degrees. Going back to standard primers alleviated the issue.

 

[vaguru]

After 2 shots - afield?
What are you hunting?

We are hunting deer. We are allowed to shoot 2 deer a day. Where we hunt there is a pasture about 100 yds by 150 yds that we set up in a large hickory tree. We have shot quite a few doubles in this field with both MZ and modern rifle. After shooting 2 deer, we will not go to the downed deer with an empty rifle. Hence the original question. Attaching a couple pics of doubles.

Now back to the original question. As stated normally use wet dry patch but interested to find out if a bore brush will remove the crud ring. Thanks for all that replied.

 

[txhunter58]

All good advice. Just don’t use actual spit with BH 209

 

[michiganmuzzy]

We are hunting deer. We are allowed to shoot 2 deer a day. Where we hunt there is a pasture about 100 yds by 150 yds that we set up in a large hickory tree. We have shot quite a few doubles in this field with both MZ and modern rifle. After shooting 2 deer, we will not go to the downed deer with an empty rifle. Hence the original question. Attaching a couple pics of doubles.

Now back to the original question. As stated normally use wet dry patch but interested to find out if a bore brush will remove the crud ring. Thanks for all that replied.

A brush will take down the crud ring, to me tho, it seems easier to just hit it with a spit patch. Especially in the field, already having the jag on the ram rod, not having to put on a brush, just spit on the patch and put it on the rod. Takes all of 7 seconds. Now paying 3 times as much for powder (bh209) has allowed me to shave that 7 seconds off my reloading time.

 

[Les Harris]

Brush works to loosen fouling but not to remove it.

 

[ENCORE50A]

T7? Butch's Black Powder Bore Shine.

 

[rugerbh103]

I was getting a horrible crud ring using #11 caps, always heard it shouldn't happen with a weaker primer. Eventually I changed the oil I was using in the bore and the issued resolved itself. You might want to try a fully synthetic oil if you aren't already using one.

 

[rangerod]

All good advice. Just don’t use actual spit with BH 209

Why? Sorry. I thought T7. Didn't read close enough. My bad.