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That might well be but it’s not classified as smokeless which is all that matters.BH209 is 83% smokeless powder (nitrocellulose), based on the SDS that comes from the company.
That might well be but it’s not classified as smokeless which is all that matters.BH209 is 83% smokeless powder (nitrocellulose), based on the SDS that comes from the company.
That might well be but it’s not classified as smokeless which is all that matters.
Here's the truth.The redefinition of words is one of the biggest problems in our world today. Why? Because it hides the truth.
Here's the truth.
Every manufacturer of current muzzleloaders recognizes BH 209 as a suitable BLACK POWDER SUB WHEN and IF it is used in guns designed to handle it AND it is used within the parameters set forth by the gun makers AND the powder maker. Break action and bolt guns qualify as suitable. Plunger and side lock actions do not.
Another truth.... BH209 may by technical terms be seen by some as smokeless because of the supposed 83% nitrocelulose content, HOWEVER, it is the other 17% of it's content that makes it NOT smokeless. And, so there is no mistake here.....BH209 does indeed smoke.
Now, when some nummie decides to shoot some true smokeless in a gun marked black powder only without checking with the manufacturer first, and because he's read some of your assertions here, meaning you HV, and then gets a limb blown off and decides to find somebody to sue, I'll be happy to step to the head of the line to offer your above quote. Then we'll see who's hiding the truth. What you're preaching is dangerous. I don't care what you do with your guns and time as long as it doesn't have a chance to stain a nice web page like this when someone not so smart reads this crap in a public forum and decides that he'll give the smokeless a go in dad's old muzzy.
I said it before and I'll say it again. This crap does not in these pages.
Your point is ? The hybrid is not a ML, its a type of breech loaderWhen Thomas Edison invented the light bulb there were no doubt those who talked about the dangers of electricity. They cited someone killed by lightning as their proof. However, they ignored the many people killed when a house burned down due to an oil lamp being turned over in the house.
Hopefully, you do understand that those manufacturing my invention (the Self-Ejecting Muzzleloader Safety Cartridge) can carefully control the pressure by using the correct amount of a smokeless propellant with the right burn rate, in the same way a 12 gauge shotgun shell is produced. Have you ever taken a look at how thin a shotgun barrel is near the muzzle? What keeps the barrel from splitting if shotguns use smokeless powder? The amount of smokeless powder in the shotgun shell is matched to the load of shot in the shell to produce a safe pressure. No new product should ever be used unless it undergoes rigorous testing by an independent group of experts. This is how all of the Black Powder substitutes, like Pyrodex and BH209, were later confirmed to be safe when used in the proper manner. It is how modern shotgun shells were proven to be safe.
If you do not understand these facts, you are no different than those who said the lightbulb was a dangerous invention.
How many people said Pyrodex was not safe when it first came on the market? Were they later proven to be wrong? Do you know what happened to the man that invented Pyrodex? (Dan Pawlak) He was killed in a deflagration accident which occurred at one of the factories which produced Pyrodex.
https://randywakeman.com/theProblemsofBlackpowder.htm.
When Thomas Edison invented the light bulb there were no doubt those who talked about the dangers of electricity. They cited someone killed by lightning as their proof. However, they ignored the many people killed when a house burned down due to an oil lamp being turned over in the house.
Hopefully, you do understand that those manufacturing my invention (the Self-Ejecting Muzzleloader Safety Cartridge) can carefully control the pressure by using the correct amount of a smokeless propellant with the right burn rate, in the same way a 12 gauge shotgun shell is produced. Have you ever taken a look at how thin a shotgun barrel is near the muzzle? What keeps the barrel from splitting if shotguns use smokeless powder? The amount of smokeless powder in the shotgun shell is matched to the load of shot in the shell to produce a safe pressure. No new product should ever be used unless it undergoes rigorous testing by an independent group of experts. This is how all of the Black Powder substitutes, like Pyrodex and BH209, were later confirmed to be safe when used in the proper manner. It is how modern shotgun shells were proven to be safe.
If you do not understand these facts, you are no different than those who said the lightbulb was a dangerous invention.
How many people said Pyrodex was not safe when it first came on the market? Were they later proven to be wrong? Do you know what happened to the man that invented Pyrodex? (Dan Pawlak) He was killed in a deflagration accident which occurred at one of the factories which produced Pyrodex.
https://randywakeman.com/theProblemsofBlackpowder.htm.
We are talking about your insistence that BH209 powder is a smokeless powder, which it is not.... below is a direct statement from the Hodgdon website's Blackhorn powder page. In the statement you'll notice that there is zero, none, nada, nein, nothing, about it being smokeless.
Sir why do you insist on this diatribe, about other powders that are n maybe used in a breech loader! I think you have become a troll. To those members that are reading this, make sure your State allows this to be a legal rifle during ML seasons.You may know something about reloading, but if you knew anything about Chemistry you would know "Smokeless Powder" is made up of "Nitrocellulose".
https://www.britannica.com/technology/smokeless-powder
Blackpowder and the substitutes are made up of chemicals that act as a fuel (Charcoal, Sulfur, Sugar, etc. ), along with corrosive oxidizers (Nitrates, Perchlorates, etc.) which supply the Oxygen to the combustion reaction.
See the SDS sheet below, which confirms BH209 is 83% "Nitrocellulose". If you review the original patent for what later became BH209 you will see it is a hybrid powder made up mainly of Nitrocellulose, with Guanidine Nitrate and Potassium Perchlorate, and a few other chemicals added to it.
Once again, you are not basing your emotional responses upon reality.
https://blackhorn209.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022-Blackhorn-209-SDS.pdf
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I think you have become a troll.
I said nothing about you that should bring on this type of response. You are trolling, you are not bringing anything valid to this subject. Now you are accusing me of becoming personal. So i am a person that is not going let someone else shift blame on me for my opinion about a breech loader. Get a life your happy aboutThose that have to use ridicule and condemnation on any viewpoint have revealed their viewpoint for what is really is.
There is nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion with others here. Unfortunately, some of these discussions become urination matches not based on the facts.
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