Thread grease

ENCORE50A said:

Is there a breech plug made that won't seize when using it?

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Not that ive EVER had . Ive shot all weekened long , shot after shot WITHOUT CLEANING , and NEVER any fouling reached into the threads . None . Not clean it for 11/2 weeks with pryo p and the plug was clean and very much unstuck . Its white when i put it in and when i take it out . Only the sealant on it . I added laping in my plugs only because its the intelligent thing to do because THAT is supposed to be THE SEAL for the combustive pressures involved . It is flat out fool proof . At least for making smoke . Smokeless SHOULD have a rear seal .

ENCORE50A said:

Is there a breech plug made that won't seize when using it?

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EXACTLY. I just looked at it as part of Shooting my inlines, But it Only happened if i chose to Shoot them a BUNCH. The Word Seize Sounds HORRIBLE, But in this Case it really isn’t, I understood it, i had proper Tools, and was fully prepared to Deal with it, It wasn’t a Big deal at all to get them out

My Sidelocks are really no different, instead of a Breech Plug it is just a Nipple, But i have Seized them TIGHTER THAN A Wedge!! Especially this Rice .45/1:20, It has a Machined Breech Plug instead of Cast, Tolerance is NOTICEABLY tighter, If i forget to ad Anti Seize to the Nipple Threads, the Nipple will Seize TIGHT, Tighter than ANY Breech Plug I’ve ever Dealt with! I’ve only done that 2 times with this Rice, You LEARN

My Knight Mountaineer Rifle was Really designed to Shoot BH209, NO DOUBT had I stuck with it and made it work for me, My Breech Plugs would have came Right out like the rest of you guy’s that Shoot it. But i chose to stick with my Loose Fitting Target loads, and Shoot Real Blackpowder in it. Real Blackpowder will Seize TIGHT, PLAIN N SIMPLE. Part of the Game i Love to Play, Goober some Grease on and Go with it

Sideshow said:

Not that ive EVER had . Ive shot all weekened long , shot after shot WITHOUT CLEANING , and NEVER any fouling reached into the threads . None . Not clean it for 11/2 weeks with pryo p and the plug was clean and very much unstuck . Its white when i put it in and when i take it out . Only the sealant on it . I added laping in my plugs only because its the intelligent thing to do because THAT is supposed to be THE SEAL for the combustive pressures involved . It is flat out fool proof . At least for making smoke . Smokeless SHOULD have a rear seal .

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I will suggest that you can use all that stuff you'd like on a UF breech plug and after a dozen rounds, you'd find out how good it really was. LOL

I would try it but on my Knight plugs with Teflon tape...shooting BH209 i never have the slightest issues removing the plug. Never had a problem with a tiny dab of normal anti sieze on the vent liner either. Its not that i don't believe it....its simply i dont need it and its easy to get the tape out with a brush. Ive got a couple high shot count Lehigh plugs. Shot many max loads with bullets upto 385gr with no sign of gas cutting using the tape.

If i felt gas cutting was an issue for me i would get Bestills rear sealing plug for Knights and be done with it.
https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/knight-bolt-gun-custom-2pc-breech-plug.32248/

ENCORE50A said:

I will suggest that you can use all that stuff you'd like on a UF breech plug and after a dozen rounds, you'd find out how good it really was. LOL

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UF ??? Whats that ??? For what ive used it on i know how good it is . Idaholewis ole buddy that includes black too .

Sideshow said:

UF ??? Whats that ??? For what ive used it on i know how good it is . Idaholewis ole buddy that includes black too .

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UF.....………. Ultimate Firearms muzzleloader.

ENCORE50A said:

UF.....………. Ultimate Firearms muzzleloader.

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So what makes those circumstances so special ? Never seen one . Show me.......

yep....TC Omega shooting BH209. BP easily backs out every time no matter how many shots with no grease or tape. Just not needed. Triple7 needs a vise and a breaker bar lol

Sideshow said:

So what makes those circumstances so special ? Never seen one . Show me.......

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Here's what the ignition system is on a Remington Ultimate, which short of a difference in hardness and threads, is identical to the Ultimate Firearms breech plug. For fact, Remington purchased the rights of the patented UF breech plug for their Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader.

The UF breech plug, even with miracle lubes, once fired a dozen or so times, is almost impossible to remove without breaking it, then you'll end up drilling it out and using a large EZ-out to remove the remainder.

UF/RUM breech plug



Permatex Nickle Anti-Seize is what was put on these threads, which is made to withstand extreme pressures and temps.
It wouldn't work either.

GM54-120 said:

I would try it but on my Knight plugs with Teflon tape...shooting BH209 i never have the slightest issues removing the plug. Never had a problem with a tiny dab of normal anti sieze on the vent liner either. Its not that i don't believe it....its simply i dont need it and its easy to get the tape out with a brush. Ive got a couple high shot count Lehigh plugs. Shot many max loads with bullets upto 385gr with no sign of gas cutting using the tape.

If i felt gas cutting was an issue for me i would get Bestills rear sealing plug for Knights and be done with it.
https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/knight-bolt-gun-custom-2pc-breech-plug.32248/

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You and i are all good GM54--120 .

So what works then encore50a, just limit your shooting to 6 shots before removing or what is the solution ?

Pa.Marshall said:

So what works then encore50a, just limit your shooting to 6 shots before removing or what is the solution ?

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LOL...…… the solution was to send it to Bestill and have it fixed permanently by converting it to a .45cal and the Arrowhead Rifles breech plug.

There isn't really a fix or anything that works for the UF OEM breech plug, short of drilling it out and replacing it with the breech plug from Arrowhead. Now Remington took the plug, hardened it and changed the thread pitch and in "most" cases, the BP from the RUM is removable. Arrowhead fixed that problem too

GM54-120 said:

I would try it but on my Knight plugs with Teflon tape...shooting BH209 i never have the slightest issues removing the plug. Never had a problem with a tiny dab of normal anti sieze on the vent liner either. Its not that i don't believe it....its simply i dont need it and its easy to get the tape out with a brush. Ive got a couple high shot count Lehigh plugs. Shot many max loads with bullets upto 385gr with no sign of gas cutting using the tape.

If i felt gas cutting was an issue for me i would get Bestills rear sealing plug for Knights and be done with it.
https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/knight-bolt-gun-custom-2pc-breech-plug.32248/

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I think that i am going this route after deer season.

ENCORE50A said:

Here's what the ignition system is on a Remington Ultimate, which short of a difference in hardness and threads, is identical to the Ultimate Firearms breech plug. For fact, Remington purchased the rights of the patented UF breech plug for their Remington Ultimate Muzzleloader.

The UF breech plug, even with miracle lubes, once fired a dozen or so times, is almost impossible to remove without breaking it, then you'll end up drilling it out and using a large EZ-out to remove the remainder.

UF/RUM breech plug

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Permatex Nickle Anti-Seize is what was put on these threads, which is made to withstand extreme pressures and temps.
It wouldn't work either.

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Oh that thing !!!! Good concept , bad execution IMO . i got a rem one . Sawed off the barrel where it went for my knight when i rebarreled it . LOL !!! Yea , you probably do got a pig on your hands . They only did half the job . Igniter is ok but the mount isnt . It is flimsy IMO . The fine threads will apply more torque but thats not whats really needed here is it . Mechanically you will continue to struggle with this , i hope you know this . Hankins got something for it with his set up ? Luke ?
Anyway , the anti seize has no resistace to the lateral compressive forces being applied . Thats why its a ***** to get out . Not its fault truely (anti seize). The stuff i endorse DOES to a certain degree . Is it your WHOLE ANSWER ? I highly doubt it in all honesty , it cant fix where metal should be as well as wbere it shouldnt . I would however either try it , my stuff , to see if it helps but it cant redesign something that should be different from the word GO , or forget this style BECAUSE there isnt enough room for it . A lrmp module set up would give up nothing with a bushing . THEN use my stuff . You asked for this engineers opinion ya got it .

Sideshow said:

Oh that thing !!!! Good concept , bad execution IMO . i got a rem one . Sawed off the barrel where it went for my knight when i rebarreled it . LOL !!! Yea , you probably do got a pig on your hands . They only did half the job . Igniter is ok but the mount isnt . It is flimsy IMO . The fine threads will apply more torque but thats not whats really needed here is it . Mechanically you will continue to struggle with this , i hope you know this . Hankins got something for it with his set up ? Luke ?
Anyway , the anti seize has no resistace to the lateral compressive forces being applied . Thats why its a ***** to get out . Not its fault truely . The stuff i endorse DOES to a certain degree . Is it your WHOLE ANSWER ? I highly doubt it in all honesty , it cant fix where metal should be as well as wbere it shouldnt . I would however either try it , my stuff , to see if it helps but it cant redesign something that should be different from the word GO , or forget this style BECAUSE there isnt enough room for it . A lrmp module set up would give up nothing with a bushing . THEN use my stuff . You asked for this engineers opinion ya got it .

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I bet you hate that , uh...5/16 socket too dont ya !!!

ENCORE50A said:

LOL...…… the solution was to send it to Bestill and have it fixed permanently by converting it to a .45cal and the Arrowhead Rifles breech plug.

There isn't really a fix or anything that works for the UF OEM breech plug, short of drilling it out and replacing it with the breech plug from Arrowhead. Now Remington took the plug, hardened it and changed the thread pitch and in "most" cases, the BP from the RUM is removable. Arrowhead fixed that problem too

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Same thing i said . And my stuff still reigns .

Sideshow said:

Oh that thing !!!! Good concept , bad execution IMO . i got a rem one . Sawed off the barrel where it went for my knight when i rebarreled it . LOL !!! Yea , you probably do got a pig on your hands . They only did half the job . Igniter is ok but the mount isnt . It is flimsy IMO . The fine threads will apply more torque but thats not whats really needed here is it . Mechanically you will continue to struggle with this , i hope you know this . Hankins got something for it with his set up ? Luke ?
Anyway , the anti seize has no resistace to the lateral compressive forces being applied . Thats why its a ***** to get out . Not its fault truely . The stuff i endorse DOES to a certain degree . Is it your WHOLE ANSWER ? I highly doubt it in all honesty , it cant fix where metal should be as well as wbere it shouldnt . I would however either try it , my stuff , to see if it helps but it cant redesign something that should be different from the word GO , or forget this style BECAUSE there isnt enough room for it . A lrmp module set up would give up nothing with a bushing . THEN use my stuff . You asked for this engineers opinion ya got it .

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When it was conceived almost 20yrs ago, it was cutting edge and the rifles were/are extremely accurate at long range. I've been inside and outside of them for 6yrs or so. However, I'm no longer dealing with the rifle. Sold the ASG breech plug and Lothar Walther barrel, the rest of the rifle is complete custom now.
Luke designed and develped the fix. Hankins wanted nothing to do with it.

Engineer huh? Spent most of my working career telling them their babies were ugly and making them change. No disrespect intended. I retired from a career of Industrial Ergonomics at GM.

Correct, i mentioned it to Hankins a long time ago and he showed zero interest in a Rem700UML 50cal smoker "fix" using HIS modules. He only wanted to deal with complete barrel swaps with HIS plugs.

GM54-120 said:

Correct, i mentioned it to Hankins a long time ago and he showed zero interest in a Rem700UML 50cal smoker "fix" using HIS modules. He only wanted to deal with complete barrel swaps with HIS plugs.

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That is regretable . Probably for liability reasons . Its 2019 , unfortunately i cant really blame him . Someone would try out his new plug with smokless and meet Jesus and be held accountable . Its a beautiful world we got these days . Common sense isnt common at all .

If he was that concerned about liability he should not have made a video using a Bergara smoker barrel and the powder he used in that barrel. I would trust a full shank sized RUML barrel (1.2"+) over that Apex barrel (1.1") anyday when we are talking about higher pressures.