blow by on plug

[eekjellander]

Sorry but I meant trying a o ring in the plug that I already have or would It be better to get the new plug with the vent liner?

I just bought the plug with vent liner to replace the week old new Black BH209 plug and the o rings that did not work
(with or with out) hope that helps/Ed

 

[jd24.5.48]

I just bought the plug with vent liner to replace the week old new Black BH209 plug and the o rings that did not work
(with or with out) hope that helps/Ed

I'm going to try the o ring and see what happens but I'll probably get the vent liner plug too. It's a good price and cheaper than what I paid for the one that I already have!

 

[Ka'imiloa]

Thanks for the info! I'll try the o ring and see what happens.

I'm no expert on inlines, but have learned a few things -- I think. If your rifle is hard to close with primer in place, "headspace" is too tight, so try tightenening either the firing pin bushing or the breech plug just slightly. Or try a slightly shorter primer. More blowby will of course occur with more powder charge, but the primers themselves do vary. Get a cheap digital caliper at Harbor Freight or elsewhere and measure both length and diameter of your primers.
Here's what I found by measuring the 209s I had on hand, Length and Diameter:
W209 (Winchester) .298-.303" L .242 D.
Rem Premier 209 .295 L .240 D.
Win Triple7 .304 L .242.5 D.
CCI inline ML .302.5 L +- .240.5 D.

So I measured all my selected Blackhorn 209-suitable primers (Win.), and chose the ones best suited to my primer pocket length and diameter. I needed the .303" L and .242 D. ones for best fit. The best fit does reduce fouling around and behind the primer, it seems to me. Try it.
Aloha, Ka'imiloa

 

[jd24.5.48]

I'm no expert on inlines, but have learned a few things -- I think. If your rifle is hard to close with primer in place, "headspace" is too tight, so try tightenening either the firing pin bushing or the breech plug just slightly. Or try a slightly shorter primer. More blowby will of course occur with more powder charge, but the primers themselves do vary. Get a cheap digital caliper at Harbor Freight or elsewhere and measure both length and diameter of your primers.
Here's what I found by measuring the 209s I had on hand, Length and Diameter:
W209 (Winchester) .298-.303" L .242 D.
Rem Premier 209 .295 L .240 D.
Win Triple7 .304 L .242.5 D.
CCI inline ML .302.5 L +- .240.5 D.

So I measured all my selected Blackhorn 209-suitable primers (Win.), and chose the ones best suited to my primer pocket length and diameter. I needed the .303" L and .242 D. ones for best fit. The best fit does reduce fouling around and behind the primer, it seems to me. Try it.
Aloha, Ka'imiloa

I was using the Winchester W209 primers and the blowback was minimal. I found some Cci 209M primers and tried them this year and the blowback was a quite a bit more than the Winchester W209! I went with the Cci because I heard that they were better primers for the blackhorn powder. The real problem is finding either one of em! I'll try to measure em and see what I come up with.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I just bought the plug with vent liner to replace the week old new Black BH209 plug and the o rings that did not work
(with or with out) hope that helps/Ed

How many shots did you have on the oring? I get 20-30 before mine leak.

 

[eekjellander]

How many shots did you have on the oring? I get 20-30 before mine leak.

Not more than 6-8 and saw no change in crap sneaking past , the funny thing is I think this is the same Optima I have in the pistol variation that I put on the AR stock . Same problem and the Black horn plug with the same o ring solved that problem ,speaking of problems that receiver is being replaced (they have had it since early Dec) ! Seems while final sighting in the week before season opener I went from great off the bench groups to off the pie plate groups and notice the stock was sloppy . Seems the receiver is what looks like (pot metal) and I tried tightening and heard a crack ,went back to the house and the screw that secures the stockwas never gonna hold again as it was split either side hanging on by a thread . Took photos to the company that who wholesales them to Muzzle loader.com I suspect , They responded back with a shipping label /bad news was it would take 4-5 weeks before I would see it . So the Renegades took care of deer season but That gun I was looking to hunt out of trees with (Renegades) ain't the slickest guns to get in a tree with but it all worked out @ 114yds (ranged)ran 20 yds and laid down , the happy camper is the neighbors kid I took and he had a solid rest 65 yds off the bench at our short range his 1st deer/ 1st Handi rifle 45/70 (mine) and his 1st gutting job !! So all around a great year/Ed

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Not more than 6-8 and saw no change in crap sneaking past , the funny thing is I think this is the same Optima I have in the pistol variation that I put on the AR stock . Same problem and the Black horn plug with the same o ring solved that problem

I wonder if the problem could be the breech plug? Does this receiver seem like its loosening? Wobbly at the pin when its open?

 

[eekjellander]

Just checked it and yes it wobbles (problem ?)

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Just checked it and yes it wobbles (problem ?)

Maybe. If it wont crush/seal primers it could be a sign of wearing the pivot pin or its hole. Thats worst case scenario if a new plug doesnt fix it, tho.
My Accura and Opti pistol have no wobble when open.

 

[eekjellander]

Maybe. If it wont crush/seal primers it could be a sign of wearing the pivot pin or its hole. Thats worst case scenario if a new plug doesnt fix it, tho.
My Accura and Opti pistol have no wobble when open.

No wear I just bought it new from Muzzle Loading .com

 

[TexasTB]

O-Ring was a game changer for me in my Traditions Vortek LR. No longer any blow back.

 

[eekjellander]

Not more than 6-8 and saw no change in crap sneaking past , the funny thing is I think this is the same Optima I have in the pistol variation that I put on the AR stock . Same problem and the Black horn plug with the same o ring solved that problem ,speaking of problems that receiver is being replaced (they have had it since early Dec) ! Seems while final sighting in the week before season opener I went from great off the bench groups to off the pie plate groups and notice the stock was sloppy . Seems the receiver is what looks like (pot metal) and I tried tightening and heard a crack ,went back to the house and the screw that secures the stockwas never gonna hold again as it was split either side hanging on by a thread . Took photos to the company that who wholesales them to Muzzle loader.com I suspect , They responded back with a shipping label /bad news was it would take 4-5 weeks before I would see it . So the Renegades took care of deer season but That gun I was looking to hunt out of trees with (Renegades) ain't the slickest guns to get in a tree with but it all worked out @ 114yds (ranged)ran 20 yds and laid down , the happy camper is the neighbors kid I took and he had a solid rest 65 yds off the bench at our short range his 1st deer/ 1st Handi rifle 45/70 (mine) and his 1st gutting job !! So all around a great year/Ed

Up date on receiver, crock of crap on date /repair and reason for all to hear/ said they did not get until 1-4-23 when sent same day as retune label was sent think 12-2-22 and had not even looked at it! I pitched a ***** and got it Feb6/23 ! Same condition as shipped ,their gunsmith (eyes like Ray Charles) said he oiled receiver and included a new grip and cautioning against over tightening bolt as it might strip threads .Never asked for a new grip (old one works fine). I sent along with photos and much discussion about while shootin in cold conditions prior to opening day (WAY BACK WHEN) the grip got sloppy and when I tried to tighten heard a distinct snap . So I again sent new photos marked with a sharpy showing my concern . BPI said they would show photos to smith who said along after looking at photos it was probably a mold casting mark . And I said I never saw a crooked crack before I heard it snap . Chances of being renamed Ray Charles /heller Keller slim to none
(they're both dead) and I am forgetful . But I will remember this and the (lifetime warrantee) just figured it out ,they were counting on me going under ! Ed