Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

[samwilliamson]

Does anyone with a Knight .45 1:30 shoot big lead? If so, what loads are you using? I've had so-so results with No Excuses 395gr in my cva 45 on 80-90 BH209. But I just got a Knight and wonder what you all might recommend? BH209 aint free so Im hoping to shortcut a little bit.

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[52Bore]

Are you able to cast your own bullets?

 

[dbowling]

With 90 gr of BH Id use a wad between bullet and powder, that's a lot of heat on a pure lead bullet..with BH more then likely only need 60-75 gr.
I would think it should shoot them just fine as long as you don't push them to hard.

Does anyone with a Knight .45 1:30 shoot big lead? If so, what loads are you using? I've had so-so results with No Excuses 395gr in my cva 45 on 80-90 BH209. But I just got a Knight and wonder what you all might recommend? BH209 aint free so Im hoping to shortcut a little bit.

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[Busta]

The Super DISC .45 cal is the 1:20 twist, it will shoot big lead about as good as a 1:20 White. The 1:30, not so much.

I have all three of the above in .45 cal, as well as others.

I guess it boils down to what you consider as "BIG" lead?

Big lead to me, is 400 grain and up.

 

[samwilliamson]

Re: RE: Re: Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

Are you able to cast your own bullets?

Yes, i do cast my own bullets.

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[samwilliamson]

Re: RE: Re: Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

The Super DISC .45 cal is the 1:20 twist, it will shoot big lead about as good as a 1:20 White. The 1:30, not so much.

I have all three of the above in .45 cal, as well as others.

I guess it boils down to what you consider as "BIG" lead?

Big lead to me, is 400 grain and up.

Im thinking anything bigger than 300

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[samwilliamson]

Re: RE: Re: Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

With 90 gr of BH Id use a wad between bullet and powder, that's a lot of heat on a pure lead bullet..with BH more then likely only need 60-75 gr.
I would think it should shoot them just fine as long as you don't push them to hard.

Does anyone with a Knight .45 1:30 shoot big lead? If so, what loads are you using? I've had so-so results with No Excuses 395gr in my cva 45 on 80-90 BH209. But I just got a Knight and wonder what you all might recommend? BH209 aint free so Im hoping to shortcut a little bit.

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I do use an 1/8" felt wad, maybe i did use too much powder. I started at 80 by volume and went up.

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[samwilliamson]

I have cast some 420 grain .451 bullets and have some 385gr no excuse .451s. And 100 Montana Precision Swaged 300grn bullets. I just cant seem to get the heavier ones dialed in. The 300 shoot pretty well, tho.

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[dbowling]

have you tried like 65 gr of BH instead of the heavier charges? May not make any difference but doesn't hurt to try, would maybe forgo the wad with that charge.

I have cast some 420 grain .451 bullets and have some 385gr no excuse .451s. And 100 Montana Precision Swaged 300grn bullets. I just cant seem to get the heavier ones dialed in. The 300 shoot pretty well, tho.

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[Busta]

Re: RE: Re: Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

The Super DISC .45 cal is the 1:20 twist, it will shoot big lead about as good as a 1:20 White. The 1:30, not so much.

I have all three of the above in .45 cal, as well as others.

I guess it boils down to what you consider as "BIG" lead?

Big lead to me, is 400 grain and up.

Im thinking anything bigger than 300

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If you have the 1:30, better stick with the 300 and under. The 1:20 likes the big lead.

 

[52Bore]

Re: RE: Re: Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

Are you able to cast your own bullets?

Yes, i do cast my own bullets

Whitworth perfected in his years of experiments for the British Gov’t in the 1850’s the 45 1:20 with a 530gr bullet.
I took that and did the math for a 1:30 to get a lead conical of 360gr.
It’s been a few years, but I made myself a mold and it shot really well in my 1:30. Not a LR projectile due to its weight and speed, but it downed a mature doe at just under 100 with no problem. Also, shot a crow out of a tree top from 130. I used 85gr Swiss 2f.
45, 50, 52 bullets I made and have had Accurate Molds copy for others - I’m not in any business..

The Accurate Mold (they don’t HP) mold #45/348w



Best of luck..

 

[samwilliamson]

Re: RE: Re: Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

have you tried like 65 gr of BH instead of the heavier charges? May not make any difference but doesn't hurt to try, would maybe forgo the wad with that charge.

I have cast some 420 grain .451 bullets and have some 385gr no excuse .451s. And 100 Montana Precision Swaged 300grn bullets. I just cant seem to get the heavier ones dialed in. The 300 shoot pretty well, tho.

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Why would you delete the wad on smaller charges?

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[samwilliamson]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

The Super DISC .45 cal is the 1:20 twist, it will shoot big lead about as good as a 1:20 White. The 1:30, not so much.

I have all three of the above in .45 cal, as well as others.

I guess it boils down to what you consider as "BIG" lead?

Big lead to me, is 400 grain and up.

Im thinking anything bigger than 300

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If you have the 1:30, better stick with the 300 and under. The 1:20 likes the big lead.

Or maybe i should buy another gun with 1:20...

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[samwilliamson]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

Are you able to cast your own bullets?

Yes, i do cast my own bullets

Whitworth perfected in his years of experiments for the British Gov’t in the 1850’s the 45 1:20 with a 530gr bullet.
I took that and did the math for a 1:30 to get a lead conical of 360gr.
It’s been a few years, but I made myself a mold and it shot really well in my 1:30. Not a LR projectile due to its weight and speed, but it downed a mature doe at just under 100 with no problem. Also, shot a crow out of a tree top from 130. I used 85gr Swiss 2f.
45, 50, 52 bullets I made and have had Accurate Molds copy for others - I’m not in any business..
The Accurate Mold (they don’t HP) mold #45/348w
Best of luck..

Thanks, i am going to try to get one of those and see how i like it. Did you cast them pure lead or alloy?

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[GM54-120]

Run the numbers through JBM
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi

A .95"long .451 at 1300fps is a solid "green" in a 1-30

I would NOT use 80grV of BH209 with soft lead conicals that light and its about max for any conical. Muzzle velocity is simply too high or getting very close to the point of leading the barrel. Shooting a "Gould" type 350gr HP with 70grV is the sweet spot for mine. Thats easily a 1300fps load.

Its my opinion that you want around 1.5-2.0 thousandths over land size when using BH209 with lead conicals. These will still load easy enough without requiring a short starter. Still tight enough for a good bite on the rifling. Try both veggie (fiber) wads and wool wads. I use .460x.060 veggie because they seal better.

On a side note, a 1-28 will shoot a correctly size Parker Ballistic Extreme quite well sabotless at much higher velocity. Mark Miller was shooting them in his Knight 1-30s at Friendship before changing to a 1-20. 120grV of BH209 and a 275gr BE is a pretty fast load.

1-20 to 1-24 is definitely a much better option. I would not go any slower if i was buying one atm but i love shooting sabotless or heavy/long bullets in sabots.

 

[samwilliamson]

Also, i am shooting 200yds or less, not really LR. I prefer to make my own bullets. Accurate wants $158 shipped for that 2 cavity mold. Sounds like a Christmas present for me.

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[samwilliamson]

Re: RE: Re: Conicals in a Knight Super DISC .45?

Run the numbers through JBM
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmstab-5.1.cgi

A .95"long .451 at 1300fps is a solid "green" in a 1-30

I would NOT use 80grV of BH209 with soft lead conicals that light and its about max for any conical. Muzzle velocity is simply too high or getting very close to the point of leading the barrel. Shooting a "Gould" type 350gr HP with 70grV is the sweet spot for mine. Thats easily a 1300fps load.

Its my opinion that you want around 1.5-2.0 thousandths over land size when using BH209 with lead conicals. These will still load easy enough without requiring a short starter. Still tight enough for a good bite on the rifling. Try both veggie (fiber) wads and wool wads. I use .460x.060 veggie because they seal better.

On a side note, a 1-28 will shoot a correctly size Parker Ballistic Extreme quite well sabotless at much higher velocity. Mark Miller was shooting them in his Knight 1-30s at Friendship before changing to a 1-20. 120grV of BH209 and a 275gr BE is a pretty fast load.

1-20 to 1-24 is definitely a much better option. I would not go any slower if i was buying one atm but i love shooting sabotless or heavy/long bullets in sabots.

Thanks for that advice and link. I've never shot lead in a sabot bigger than 250gr. I may try the 420s in a sabot in my Accura .50
I didnt think it was right to put something that heavy in to a sabot.

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[GM54-120]

I think you misunderstood.

While they do make some heavy lead bullets for sabots such as the new NoExcuses and Precision Rifle bullets....Im talking about 250ish grain jacketed 40cals in 45cal sabots. Fury custom bullets has a couple pretty cool ones and you will need a 1-24 or faster for best results. A 1-28 does pretty good upto around 230ish grains depending on bullet length. Its not the weight that kills you its the length. Also depends on how fast you can shoot them. I can go pretty darn fast in my custom 45cal so its not a big deal.

This is a Fury 250gr 40cal in a Harvester sabot next to a 200gr SST.

This is a Pittman Accumax 402. The one on the far left is a 225gr but its also 1.27" long. Chances are very slim you will ever get it to shoot well in anything slower than a 1-22.

 

[samwilliamson]

I was just looking at No Excuses and they have a 350 and 400 grn lead in a sabot. I am going to buy some 350 boattails and go burn up a jug of BH. May take a couple weeks since gun season starts Thursday.

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[samwilliamson]

No Excuses boat tail lead in yellow Harvester. 250, 300, 350, and 400.

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