I'm thinking about going traditional again.

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MeatMachine

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I haven't shot side locks in fifteen years or so and am thinking about buying this.   https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/rifles/traditional-muzzleloaders/traditions-springfield-hawken-rifle-r22208101.html    What do you think of it ?
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I'd look at the hawken woodsman. The double set triggers will be a huge welcome and the rifles are accurate as hell. Not heavy either.
 
I must be weird. 50 cals are just boring to me. All these companys are hung on the 50 cal. Ya I know there is loading stuff everywhere for them. There cheaper to shoot. Get a 58 and smoke em.
 
WOW, "Pete is cheap", is that what you said Al ???  :shock:   :roll:   :affraid:   :Hide:
 
IMO .58's are impractical. The trajectory is too much like a rainbow. A .54 is big enough.
 
BigAl52 said:
OldMtnMan said:
Not taking it as a kidding isn't going to work Al.
I took it as kidding Pete and I was being sarcastic
Ok, I wasn't sure if you were serious. I thought you were getting as grumpy as me.  :pirat:
 
That could be possible after 40 plus years around a bunch whinny cry baby truck drivers Im getting there. If I spend much more time there I might even pass you.
 
Nope I didnt know that but that explains everything. Ive drivin worked local and been in the office for 10 years. With the new regs and all the other stuff that goes with it Im about over it.
 
Oh crap, the brotherhood begins now that they know they were both "keep on truckin" kind of guys".

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alt="I'm thinking about going traditional again. 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Not the way he rags on drivers. We had a name for drivers who gave up driving for the office. I won't say what it is.
 

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