CVA Paramount Update

[Ninering62]

Im pretty sure the bp xpress is out the window. Like others have said cost and old technology.

I spoke to Luke on the phone briefly. Hes a straigh shooter and will definitely do business with him. I told him my goals and how far I wanted to go. Very polite guy and those are the peope I will gladly pay extra and support.

I have been out of the ml world a bit too long, almost 10 years. After researching, talking to custom ml makers a die tool is basically essential now if your goal is long range. I will primarily only hunt and I need to make a choice if the money is worth it.

Currently I dont know if I can commit to the time with how busy work is, but will sleep on it over the next few days. Im leading towards the paramount, with a few custom tweaks. I have some research to do on my lunch breaks on the forum on a few concerns on the rifle.

Do yourself a solid & go on YouTube, watch Mike Demming/Sportsmans warehouse video of him shooting the paramount out to 735yards. Pay close attn to what he says about the scopes he put on it & why. Good luck, kind regards

 

[Doccbst1]

lwh723 is a Builder, Arrowhead Rifles

I'm here to learn, didn't realize that. As I said I've looked heavily at the 700 and bolt locking lug is near perfect. The new ones only show .50 cal not .45 and I'd prefer the simple 209 primer. If the 26" is good for 300yds I'm good with that. I could care less about smokeless. Just Blackhorn.
I've seen used .50 700ml for under $200, and a little more for the older .45 would be ok so a little work, and upgrades/conversion well worth the trouble. Looks like upgrades to the Paramount nearly $1,500 to get it right. The Arrowhead is way out of my means.

 

[Busta]

The Paramount is $800 right now, and had been if you shop around. You can get the 209 primer breech plug for about $20, or go with Lukes Gen II for whatever it is now.

 

[45-70]

Yup I won't be disappointed with the Paramount, I'm pretty dang sure about that. My philosophy is always getting thee best quality fr what I can afford. I don't mess with NO bargain basement junk with my tools or my toys. I wanted an all purpose plug N play sub moa ML in .45 to hunt from 50-600yards
The paramount does that in spades. I have only 1600.00 tied up in the whole setup. Not including what the brake & barrel threading will cost me.That's just awesome IMHO. If I didn't end up with the paramount I would have saved up until I could get a Hankins or Arrowhead custom. Even putting a smokeless barrel on the paramount is an amazing affordable choice. Kind regards
Let up know what you decide & post up some ML porn when ya get what you decide on will ya

that is debatable to me 600 yards

 

[Busta]

that is debatable to me 600 yards

So you're saying a Knight can do it with 120 volumetric grains of Blackhorn 209, but a CVA Paramount can't do it with 150 volumetric grains of Blackhorn 209? OK!

 

[GM54-120]

I've followed closely the Paramount and looked at the 700ml.
So many minute issues and upgrades, conversions to get there.
All I want is a 28" or even 30" barrel, 209 primer, Blackhorn 209 compatible. And preferably a bolt. Hopefully in .45 caliber and 1:20 twist. Max range 300yards
Still looking
From what I've seen that's close a lot less than $3,000.
For that much let Bestill Customs build it or the Cooper, but no real reason except
what I've read.

Grab one of the discounted Accura LR 45s then. Its everything you want other than a bolt action for $450 or less. I have to agree though, a 30" barrel offers nearly nothing over 26" of usable barrel. FPS increase is so small its not worth the additional baggage. Add a Lehigh, Hankins or ASG LRMP plug upgrade and you are still well under $700.
https://cva.bpishopping.com/cva-muzzloaders/accura/pr3132nm.html

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Grab one of the discounted Accura LR 45s then. Its everything you want other than a bolt action for $450 or less. I have to agree though, a 30" barrel offers nearly nothing over 26" of usable barrel. FPS increase is so small its not worth the additional baggage. Add a Lehigh, Hankins or ASG LRMP plug upgrade and you are still well under $700.
https://cva.bpishopping.com/cva-muzzloaders/accura/pr3132nm.html

I posted a review on cva promising to buy 2 Accuras if they would make the .45 in an MR. I've got the LR, still waiting for the MR.

 

[45-70]

So you're saying a Knight can do it with 120 volumetric grains of Blackhorn 209, but a CVA Paramount can't do it with 150 volumetric grains of Blackhorn 209? OK!

not with that bullet nothing against the rifle

 

[45-70]

So you're saying a Knight can do it with 120 volumetric grains of Blackhorn 209, but a CVA Paramount can't do it with 150 volumetric grains of Blackhorn 209? OK!

I saw a Knight do it at 1000 with black powder at Oak Ridge

 

[Ninering62]

that is debatable to me 600 yards

Hi, have ya watched Mike Demming from Sportsmans warehouse youtube video he did with the Paramount t's the best video of the Paramount that I've come across. He is shooting 1/2 MOA @600 yards If I remember correctly & he placed 1 shot a little high & left @ 735 yards . I have not had the opportunity to shoot mine that far yet, but I can't wait to try it for myself. I'm just getting started with mine really. Kind regards

 

[ENCORE50A]

I see that CVA is telling everyone to weigh out their BH209 because its the the most consistent and accurate way.

 

[Doccbst1]

Grab one of the discounted Accura LR 45s then. Its everything you want other than a bolt action for $450 or less. I have to agree though, a 30" barrel offers nearly nothing over 26" of usable barrel. FPS increase is so small its not worth the additional baggage. Add a Lehigh, Hankins or ASG LRMP plug upgrade and you are still well under $700.
https://cva.bpishopping.com/cva-muzzloaders/accura/pr3132nm.html

I like everything about the accura except the break action. I've never shot one but the trigger release fort break action just doesn't suit me. Seems flimsy and "sacralidge" unsafe. I'd rather see the front mounted trigger release like Wolf or traditions, or even the design of my oddball TC impact which works quite well. I do like the bolts better.
Rem 700ml
Knight Mountaineer
CVA Paramount.

 

[Idaholewis]

I like everything about the accura except the break action. I've never shot one but the trigger release fort break action just doesn't suit me. Seems flimsy and "sacralidge" unsafe. I'd rather see the front mounted trigger release like Wolf or traditions, or even the design of my oddball TC impact which works quite well. I do like the bolts better.
Rem 700ml
Knight Mountaineer
CVA Paramount.

I would never own another Break Action, other than a Cheap Shotgun, I had an Encore CF that Ruined me.

 

[Busta]

I must own somewhere between 15 and 20 Tip-Ups, love them all.

I wouldn't own an Encore or any of the TC Tip-Up platforms either. Didn't need to own one to figure that out. I know enough guys who do/did, and shot theirs. Mike Bellm has made a good living off making those Encores shootable.

When I start thinning the herd after Christmas, the Knight Bolts will be first to go. The plunger/striker fired rifles will be next to go.

 

[Idaholewis]

The only 2 I Owned were TC’s and Both were Junk, The Encore, and a Contender in a Pistol Version. I really like the looks of the Paramount, I think it is a DARN NICE Looking Rig. I would love to Bolt this Nightforce Scope on one and take it LOOOOONG. The only thing about it I don’t like, I’ve said it before, is that Bullet Guiding Muzzle, The VERY FIRST thing i would do is Cut that off and Re-Crown (Easy enough to do) Here again, TC Ruined me on those Things. I simply find NO GOOD in that Type of Setup, NO MATTER the Brand. I am an ADVOCATE on the use of an Over Powder Wad to Seal gasses, and Protect the Bullet Bases (Lead Conicals) Ironically the OP Wad is what Caused the TC to Go NUTS, 1 Shot hit the Ground, bounced up and Broke my Target Frame, The other Shots were unfindable? Looking back, it probably wasn’t Safe standing behind that Rifle with Over Powder Wads, It Shot Fairly good WITHOUT OP Wads. That RUINED me on Trusting ANY form of that kind of Muzzle. I have never seen anything Remotely Like that with a Gun Rifled to the Muzzle. The ABSOLUTE best Shooting Muzzleloader i own, Have Ever owned is my Rice 1:20 Twist, Their Crown just BARELY breaks the Edge, 11 Degree I believe?

 

[Busta]

The BGM is only 1/4" deep, I've measured. The QLA must be 3/4" to 1" deep, haven't measured one?

The 2020 Paramount is going to be threaded for a brake, so we'll just have to wait and see if they use the BGM or not. Unless they will be promoting a new bullet without a skirt like the Paramount ELR, which I doubt, pretty sure the BGM will be there. So if someone wants to remove a BGM with a recrown and only lose 1/4" of barrel, the 2019 models would be less too contend with. If the 2020 threaded models have the BGM, then you would have to remove at least 5/8" of barrel, recrown, then cut new threads.

The SHOT Show is only 30ish days away. I'm sure we'll know by then, if not before.

Once the 2020 models hit the retailers, I'm sure there will be opportunities to buy the 2019 models for under the $800 like there is now. If you are going to remove the BGM, recrown and (re)thread anyway, you only lose 1/4" vs 5/8" if the 2020 has the BGM.

I'm hoping they put the fast twist .45 on the 2020 Accura MR. We should know in a month.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I'm hoping they put the fast twist .45 on the 2020 Accura MR. We should know in a month.

I hope so. But i think they have to see better demand for it in the LR first. And i just bet it's not a hot seller.

 

[Ninering62]

The BGM is only 1/4" deep, I've measured. The QLA must be 3/4" to 1" deep, haven't measured one?

The 2020 Paramount is going to be threaded for a brake, so we'll just have to wait and see if they use the BGM or not. Unless they will be promoting a new bullet without a skirt like the Paramount ELR, which I doubt, pretty sure the BGM will be there. So if someone wants to remove a BGM with a recrown and only lose 1/4" of barrel, the 2019 models would be less too contend with. If the 2020 threaded models have the BGM, then you would have to remove at least 5/8" of barrel, recrown, then cut new threads.

The SHOT Show is only 30ish days away. I'm sure we'll know by then, if not before.

Once the 2020 models hit the retailers, I'm sure there will be opportunities to buy the 2019 models for under the $800 like there is now. If you are going to remove the BGM, recrown and (re)thread anyway, you only lose 1/4" vs 5/8" if the 2020 has the BGM.

I'm hoping they put the fast twist .45 on the 2020 Accura MR. We should know in a month.

I've had 2 TC Omega's with around 500.00 scopes & both models before it. That QLA thing ( I dont mean to be rude ) but I think it was designed to attract completely clueless ppl to shooting & ML's in particular to the degree that they prob shouldn't be messing with them anyways. The QLA is at least 3/4" deep, yes it could very easily be as deep as 1".
In all honesty, I put a heck of a lot of rounds thru both Omega"s & took many deer, a few hogs & a cpl black bear & quite a few groundhogs, foxes out to 250 or so yards with 3- 50gr pellets & a 223gr powerbelt. Now I would never dream of competing with one ( I'm LOL ) but for what they are, cost, ease of use & for fairly close range, I never had anything to complain about with that whole setup for 10yrs or more. I hope this Paramount serves me as well & as long with as much rounds thru it. Kind regards bud, OH, how daggone massive is your gun safe LOL I use to have about 3/4 of a walk in closet full of guns never owned a safe. It sounds like you may need a small warehouse or armory for all yours. Lucky you. LOL

 

[jims]

I do not want to get off track but as regards the tip/break actions. I have a CVA V2 in 45-70 and it actually shoots quite well. Took 4 deer with the family with that this year.

 

[antman]

Went to the range today with the Muzzleloader and an AR15 Bushmaster 450. The AR is a tac driver usually, but today was heavy wind Right to Left 25-30 with 45MPH gusts and it was lackluster. Broke out the Paramount and it shocked me how good it was. Pushing bullets about 2 inches left of point of aim at 100 yards and going in the same hole 3 times. Out of all my guns its definitely the most accurate, and now I have the confidence for at least 100yard shots in heavy wind. Last deer hunting trip 4 bullets 4 deer. I'm using 140G BH with the 209 breech plug and the ELR bullet. I did try backing the breech plug out just a smidge from all the way tight which is how I was running it. It DID help seal better. Whoever gave that advice earlier, Thanks.