Smokeless WHY

[Hausser1]

I dont think its any easier to clean up a sml. Its, imho, like having a rare breed cat.(not dog or horse). Many folks already dont understand having a cat(ML). So getting a rare breed of cat(Smokeless ML) say its a Savannah(Rem700) or an Ocelot(Savage 10ML) is just a way of having a cooler cat then 98% but not really being any better/different at the same time. It takes more money, has a special diet, doesn't act like a normal cat, could kill you if you aren't careful, but in the end it is still just a cat(ML). But as everyone knows all cats(MLs) are very cool regardless.
Having a smokeless cat, i mean ML, just puts you in a tiny, exclusive group of nutjobs.
Anyway, thats why I have a cat/ML. That and my wife won’t let me have a fainting pygmy goat or a Savannah cat, so i got a SML.

here's my smokeless muzzleloading shotgun

 

[Ga.Smokey]

I dont think its any easier to clean up a sml. Its, imho, like having a rare breed cat.(not dog or horse). Many folks already dont understand having a cat(ML). So getting a rare breed of cat(Smokeless ML) say its a Savannah(Rem700) or an Ocelot(Savage 10ML) is just a way of having a cooler cat then 98% but not really being any better/different at the same time. It takes more money, has a special diet, doesn't act like a normal cat, could kill you if you aren't careful, but in the end it is still just a cat(ML). But as everyone knows all cats(MLs) are very cool regardless.
Having a smokeless cat, i mean ML, just puts you in a tiny, exclusive group of nutjobs.
Anyway, thats why I have a cat/ML. That and my wife won’t let me have a fainting pygmy goat or a Savannah cat, so i got a SML.

Sounds like a polecat

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Sounds like a polecat

Wife wont let me have one of them either.

 

[ElDiablo]

This sums it up nicely

 

[Ga.Smokey]

This sums it up nicely

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Pretty much.
I think we as a group... and it's a small group.
Have done everything else and are looking for our next challenge.
That's my story anyway....
Couldn't ask for a nicer group of guys to hang with.
The guns are a bonus....

 

[Mnt monkey]

I'm always looking forward and not back no offense to the historians and the traditionalists at all it's just my own personality in mentality it's always looking forward and when I arrive It's never enough when it's right It's never enough it can always get better when I get something right it's finished I'm ready to go on and start something else and then more and then more and then more smokeless muzzle loading has given me a place to express that and I agree with GA Smokey I'm grateful to have the people on Modern muzzleloaders to share that passion with

 

[Mnt monkey]

Not much new development in the traditional side by it's very nature tradition most of the time is protected rather than trying to be improved on,, smokeless muzzle loading is just getting started.

 

[Pattray]

If you highly value extreme accuracy then smokeless his hands down the choice ,not minute of deer ,not this will be okay for hunting ,but if you enjoy extreme accuracy. As to the cost of many of those smokeless guns that is insane I think smokeless rifles can be built for a whole lot less than what most people realize but at the same time those that can afford to pay that price for a gun I'm all for that ,,I sure can't. Smokeless gun requires me to pour powder in it and stuff a bullet down it the same way that anyone's traditional gun would,, I have priced having a traditional custom gun made from several people a few years ago it was around half of the price of a smokeless muzzleloader with two completely different weapon systems to me I could understand if one's muzzle loading experience was traditional guns not seeing a need for smokeless however again if one approaches their shooting seeking ultimate efficiency in accuracy day in and day out I just do not see how you beat a smokeless rifle I will say this those of us who enjoy rifles and shooting and have a background shooting center fire or bench rest will love smokeless muzzloading in this one other glaring aspect all the smokeless guns made today will shoot Black Horn in the other subpowders so much more efficiently than any side lock or traditional gun would in today's time of lack of supplies having a gun that you can do so much with is important. To me the smokeless rifle is the ultimate in line muzzleloader that can do everything your basic in line cannot and certainly a traditional gun cannot,,, I really believe that a lot of shooters that consider smokeless but haven't shot it or experienced it really have no idea of what it can do and I believe this once you experience that you will gravitate to it I have smokeless rifles that literally will put every bullet I put into it in a quarter inch or less if any of you have a traditional gun it will do that with five or six different bullets you can tell me about that I think those who don't appreciate smokeless or like it are those who have not experienced it.

Agree

 

[Ga.Smokey]

Deleted although a pm would have sufficed.

 

[Bushfire]

Couldn't help myself

 

[MrTom]

Since smokeless powder was the first approved black powder substitute in cordite. Then true granular. would it not be legal in states that specify it that way in there regulations?

Damn. I shudder when someone mentions state regulation and powder in the same sentence, publicly. Hold your tongue brother.

 

[chwebmaker]

For me, going smokeless was about distance. Some of the properties I hunt have fields that are 500+ yards. My smokeless ML allows me to shoot out to 400 yards. That is a big improvement over my inline ML's. The only drawback I have w/my smokeless is that it doesn't accommodate a ramrod. However, in the last 7 years of shooting smokeless I haven't needed a second shot yet. But it does take me another 30 seconds to put together the 3 piece ramrod I carry. Also, there is a little more preparation with having to size the bullets since I don't use sabots. However, the benefits of using a smokeless ML outweigh those minor drawbacks. As stated, not having to clean a smokeless ML is definitely a bonus. I'm very happy with my current smokeless set up and can't imagine going back to shooting a regular inline full season.

 

[ENCORE50A]

.......................... But it does take me another 30 seconds to put together the 3 piece ramrod I carry. ...................................

Mine fits in my vest pocket. Pull it out and its ready to go........ 3-piece Ramrod with Sheath & Bore Guide - Arrowhead Rifles

 

[bronko220002]

For me, going smokeless was about distance. Some of the properties I hunt have fields that are 500+ yards. My smokeless ML allows me to shoot out to 400 yards. That is a big improvement over my inline ML's. The only drawback I have w/my smokeless is that it doesn't accommodate a ramrod. However, in the last 7 years of shooting smokeless I haven't needed a second shot yet. But it does take me another 30 seconds to put together the 3 piece ramrod I carry. Also, there is a little more preparation with having to size the bullets since I don't use sabots. However, the benefits of using a smokeless ML outweigh those minor drawbacks. As stated, not having to clean a smokeless ML is definitely a bonus. I'm very happy with my current smokeless set up and can't imagine going back to shooting a regular inline full season.

Mine fits in my vest pocket. Pull it out and its ready to go........ 3-piece Ramrod with Sheath & Bore Guide - Arrowhead Rifles

I was wondering about how to carry a ramrod for my smokeless and wondering about the rigidity of the 3 piece collapsible rods. Then I got the idea, being that I'm also a bow hunter, I can attach a small 3-4 arrow bow quiver to my backpack (which I do anyway for archery) and carry my ramrod in that. Out of the way and ready to go. I'd probably have the collapsible one either in my pack or belt or wherever so what's the difference.

 

[earlwb]

I tied a length of rope to my ramrod to carry with my underhammer rifle. I could then sling carry it. One end slips off for using it. If needed I can untie the other end. I had cut a slot in that end for using patches as needed for cleaning. It it s heavy duty resin fiberglass ramrod, that won’t break on me.

 

[TransYank]

I love my Haskin's made collapsible one plenty strong..

 

[smokepolehall]

I have a Spin-Jag three piece in its case, with a good split ring to attach

 

[primer mark]

Pretty much.
I think we as a group... and it's a small group.
Have done everything else and are looking for our next challenge.
That's my story anyway....
Couldn't ask for a nicer group of guys to hang with.
The guns are a bonus....

Ya. its like painting flames and putting mag's on your Yugo to make it go faster!

 

[Hausser1]

I remember reading that the ancient Aztecs, when they organized trading caravans, that they would take along a bunch of chihuahuas to serve as alarms on the trail. Plus if need be they could eat them if the trip went bad.

Chihuahuas make good musky bait. Be sure to give them plenty of sugary treats and coffee before heading out,.. kinda like fresh water is required for live minnows. Wonder if the Aztecs ever fished Lake St Claire, Eagle Lake, or the St Lawrence River system. Chihuahuas are almost as good as cats. Of course, for a trophy you need bigger, highly energetic Ocelots if fishing for the next world record. Good topwater action for still fishing only.

 

[earlwb]

Chihuahuas make good musky bait. Be sure to give them plenty of sugary treats and coffee before heading out,.. kinda like fresh water is required for live minnows. Wonder if the Aztecs ever fished Lake St Claire, Eagle Lake, or the St Lawrence River system. Chihuahuas are almost as good as cats. Of course, for a trophy you need bigger, highly energetic Ocelots if fishing for the next world record. Good topwater action for still fishing only.

The Aztecs and other Meso-American tribes and groups had extensive trade between each other. Obsydian from Mexico was found all over the Americas. But they did not have pack animals so their trade caravans would be limited as to what their porters could carry. Their empires were also limited in that way too. Only as far as they could walk reliably. But Indians as far north as Canada likely knew about the civilizations in Mexico and Central America. As trade goods would travel far and wide being traded between each other. For example Turquoise from the southwest being traded as far south as the Mayans and Aztecs. The deserts of the southwest likely limited how far north the Aztecs could go by walking.