Very very very very very very stuck breech plug

[Okie Hog]

This is the breech plug for the CVA Apollo, Eclipse, Stag Horn and other rifles. Years ago i removed the #11 cap breech plugs from a bunch of those rifles and and installed 209 plugs.

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[turtlelonghair]

But I thought you had to change the bolt and all for the 209 primer and I had one reply that they wasn't made to come out so I'm puzzled now

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Yeah me too. Got any pics of your plug, turtlelonghair?

 

[Okie Hog]

But I thought you had to change the bolt and all for the 209 primer

On some #11 cap guns the bolts have firing pins. The others i drilled and installed firing pins. i used de-capping die pins.

 

[turtlelonghair]

Yeah me too. Got any pics of your plug, turtlelonghair?

I'll try to get some muzzy if I can figure out how to send them

 

[turtlelonghair]

Yeah me too. Got any pics of your plug, turtlelonghair?

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[turtlelonghair]

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[turtlelonghair]

Don't know if that helps any or not muzzy

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Well I'm not certain anymore if it's not supposed to come out but i have an impact screw driver (with appropriate extension) that i would try with the cold or heat..
like this one, you smack it with a hammer, drives it in and turns it at the same time.
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[Far Sighted]

I've thrown everything at this thing and I do mean everything it's in an Apollo 50 caliber CVA now it's time for action all the suggestions I can get is appreciated probably some I've done tried or all all help appreciated guys

I've dealt with this before. Spray WD40 down the barrel and from breech end around the plug. Let it set for a few hours. Use a vise to hold the about the action. Or if not lay the ML on the bench with action open and near the bench edge. Put your breech socket on plug with breaker extinction bar. Have some one to hold the rifle steady. Then take a mallet or brass hammer and whack the the extension hard. It should break lose.
Good luck!

 

[turtlelonghair]

Well far sided I've tried all that except I use free all and a few other lubricants nothing

 

[user 25154]

I ask the same question about the slot. Told me it was for the tool to install it. No different than a self tapping screw. It takes a tool to drive it in. U could call cva. Ask them about the first ones. That had non removable plugs. Hope this helps

 

[turtlelonghair]

Thanks smokepole do I have a contact number seams I can't find it appreciate if you do

 

[turtlelonghair]

I meant you have number

 

[user 25154]

770-449-4687. Customer service. Also ask if it is the nonremovable plug will the plug I want to change it over to have same thread? Very important to know. If u r dead set on removing it. Find that out first. I put same plug back in it. Used mk85 knight tool. It didn't come with a tool cause they weren't to be removed. What's holding it. If its like mine was. R the chips and shaving from the threads being cut. There's no way for them to get out and they bind it in there really bad. Think of it like a tap kinda. The machine just drove it in. Was cheaper way to manufacture. Hope this helps you. Beleave it r not I do care about my fellow members. And what I tell u is true to the best of my knowledge and memory I would not make things up r lie to u for attention. Geez I'm just not like that.

 

[turtlelonghair]

Thank you again smoke Pole I found the number and said that their system is down LOL so so I couldn't get through

 

[turtlelonghair]

Oh smoke pole I believe you and I do take advice but I've got to find out for myself on this gun sounds like you're a great guy and I appreciate all the help

 

[Okie Hog]

You say the breech plug is not removeable from the 1997 made guns. i've removed the breech plugs from several of those guns.

Burning question: Why in hades would CVA sell breech plugs for a gun the breech plug can't be removed from?

Apollo and Eclipse 209 Conversion - P125 or P125A (deercreekproducts.net)

 

[turtlelonghair]

No I didn't say it smoke pole told me because I'm like you I wonder the same thing and you're right they sell conversion kits 209 for Apollo

 

[bloodhound]

My understanding is that CVA produced the Apollo with a non-removable breech plug (self tapping) and then at some point in their production changed to the removable breech plug then at some point offered breech plugs in conversions. It would be nice if they had re-named the model at the point that they made the change, so you would have an Apollo, Apollo II and so forth, but companies don't often do this...