I have been getting good groups with these bullets, these are the crimp nosed ones. Been shooting them saboted in my Scout conversion with 54 gr. Imr 4198 so far and plan on trying 55 and 56 gr, too. Anyone here taken any deer with these bullets in the 2400 fps range or so? I'm just wondering if I would get any expansion on a deer at say 175 yds with it. I see Dennis also offers a .402 polymer tipped star tip in 250 gr. and it has a lighter jacket. I'm wondering if I could get those down the barrel in a sabot being as they are .002 larger.