What do you think of the Firestick/Nitrofire system?

[ram2]

Fire sticks are everywhere. Even in Walmarts that don't carry the only firearm that it is possible to use them in!

I see the Firesticks in Dunhams stores in Michigan.

 

[HV-Muzzleloaders]

Thanks for all the feedback... We will see where I end up on this...

How hard would it be to reload a FireStick cartridge with BH209?

It should not be that much different from reloading a shotshell.

It might also be possible to make a re-usable cartridge the same size and shape out of aluminum, or steel.

This might provide a more cost-effective cartridge for this rifle.

 

[rangerod]

So you can't shoot pellets or loose powder out of the gun?

 

[4stringdude]

So you can't shoot pellets or loose powder out of the gun?

No, you have to use the firestick cartridge. Plus, you have to add a primer to the cartridge. It's a proprietary and expensive system.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I had to go into a malwart today so i checked for ML supplies as i always do. I found almost nothing on the shelf except cappers, patches and 100 grain firesticks for $11 for a 10 pack. Of course i bought one so i can cut them apart and see what i can do with that powder. $1.10 per shot is not bad if it compares to bh209. I'm going to open them all and find out what an average weight is then determine an 80gr equivalent charge and might try some comparison shots next range session. As always, hoping i dont blow up my gun and myself.

 

[HV-Muzzleloaders]

I had to go into a malwart today so i checked for ML supplies as i always do. I found almost nothing on the shelf except cappers, patches and 100 grain firesticks for $11 for a 10 pack. Of course i bought one so i can cut them apart and see what i can do with that powder. $1.10 per shot is not bad if it compares to bh209. I'm going to open them all and find out what an average weight is then determine an 80gr equivalent charge and might try some comparison shots next range session. As always, hoping i dont blow up my gun and myself.

Please send us some pictures of your dissection when you get it done.

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[michiganmuzzy]

well imho T8 is rebranded bh209.
A 100 grain fire stick is 80gr by volume and 60gr by weight. Looks and SMELLS like bh209.

 

[deermanok]

Looks like the inspector is on the job!

 

[michiganmuzzy]

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Looks like the inspector is on the job!

Yes sir. She very nearly knocked over everything right off the bat.

 

[deermanok]

Yes sir. She very nearly knocked over everything right off the bat.

Don't I know, we have some cats around here too.

 

[HV-Muzzleloaders]

well imho T8 is rebranded bh209.

I believe you are correct, based on the MSD sheet.

F8000_Firestick_SDS_NA_01032020_FINAL.pdf (federalpremium.com)
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[michiganmuzzy]

Working theory, Hodgon was after bh209 earlier than believed, got rights to use it in their firestick but under an alias, eventually bought bh209, will continue to sell as bh209 cuz $$$.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I can shoot this stuff slightly cheaper than bh209 as long as malwart has it on clearance, and provided it shoots identical to same load as branded bh209. As long as no one messes with them then Hodgdon can call it as many grains as they want to. Hoping i can find 120 grain firesticks on clearance.

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Batch number?

 

[moose23]

IMO, the whole fire stick idea seems and sounds innovative. But honestly after reading through a lot of these posts, it seems more complicated than just pouring powder down a barrel, ramming the bullet down, open the action, insert primer, ready to fire. That’s what I’ve been doing for 18 years now with my TC Omega. Fires every time, is not complicated, and is reliable. I was in a gun shop back around Christmas, and they had the Nitrofire gun in stock, but not any fire sticks!! So what good is the gun if he wasn’t selling the fire sticks??!!

 

[michiganmuzzy]

Also these may make good poly wads for a .50 cal

 

[michiganmuzzy]

IMO, the whole fire stick idea seems and sounds innovative. But honestly after reading through a lot of these posts, it seems more complicated than just pouring powder down a barrel, ramming the bullet down, open the action, insert primer, ready to fire. That’s what I’ve been doing for 18 years now with my TC Omega. Fires every time, is not complicated, and is reliable. I was in a gun shop back around Christmas, and they had the Nitrofire gun in stock, but not any fire sticks!! So what good is the gun if he wasn’t selling the fire sticks??!!

I think im gonna start hoarding the firesticks and sell them for $10-$20 each(not packs) on GunBroker.

 

[billyboy*]

Curious, do the 100 Gr Capsules have thicker walls than the 120 Gr to keep the same length so there is No Air space underneath the Bullet Shelf?

 

[michiganmuzzy]

I was wonder the same thing. I'm going to try to find some.