Deep Curl Obturate

[GM54-120]

I believe you can get a 300gr DC to obturate with 90gr by volume of BH209 in a 45cal ML. The "jacket" is somewhat thick but its a softer copper than a FTX/SST.

"Can" and "shooting good" though are not the same animal. I would wager you will need around 100-110gr by volume to get better accuracy. A die is great even if you shoot sabots. It will allow you to stick with 1 sabot for virtually all your MLs. A cheap Lee sizer is all that is need for that though. A Swinglock is a must if you want to get serious about sabotless.

Ron, after the season winds down i hope to have a Speer i would like you to try. Its the new design Speer 451 260gr UCHP. They are very cheap locally when in stock. I think 50 cost about $12 plus tax.

 

[Busta]

Just curious why everyone on this site only recommends the Swinglock sizing die over the Hankins?

The Hankins is more versatile, easier to adjust, comes with wrench (kit), expander ball, has choice of pusher rod length, and is less money ($145 complete kit). It also can be purchased by the piece, if you already have the kit and just want another die ($115) to set for another bullet. Same price for .40, .45, or .50 cal.

Swinglock

http://www.swinglock.net/


Hankins

https://hanksprecisiongunparts.com/c/bullet-resizing-dies

https://hanksprecisiongunparts.com/p/smooth-bullet-sizing-die-complete-kit

 

[ronlaughlin]

Season ends here Jan 1st. There will be snow clear to my ask by then. I'll be shooting right up until Nov. 14th. I'll try them for you if you'd like.

We will mail five 250 grain Deep Curl, Monday. Please use a powder charge of 90g = 65 grain weight Blackhorn. Please send address.

 

[ronlaughlin]

A Swinglock is a must if you want to get serious about sabotless.

My next purchase if ENCORE50A' results are good. Probably won't pursue sabotless if the 90g result isn't accurate.

Looking forward to trying out those bullet of yours.

 

[GM54-120]

Swinglock is $158.50 shipped
Hankins is $155 shipped

The new 45cal version by Swinglock no longer requires an allen to adjust. Its a nut on top. As far as i know the older allen style came with it also.

 

[Busta]

Sure don't look like it to me.








http://www.swinglock.net/


Watch the video.



https://hanksprecisiongunparts.com/p/smooth-bullet-sizing-die-complete-kit

 

[GM54-120]

45-70 got one back in April.
https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/sizer-swing-lock.33738/

Just to be clear either one is a good die. If you already got a Lee push rod its a great way to save some bucks.

 

[ENCORE50A]

Swinglock is $158.50 shipped
Hankins is $155 shipped

The new 45cal version by Swinglock no longer requires an allen to adjust. Its a nut on top. As far as i know the older allen style came with it also.

45-70 got one back in April.
https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/threads/sizer-swing-lock.33738/

Just to be clear either one is a good die. If you already got a Lee push rod its a great way to save some bucks.

The new style is what I'm using.

 

[ENCORE50A]

We will mail five 250 grain Deep Curl, Monday. Please use a powder charge of 90g = 65 grain weight Blackhorn. Please send address.

PM sent...

 

[Busta]

You still need to provide 2 wrenches, and it's more of a pain to adjust.

$160 at ASG for the Swing-Lock

https://www.arrowheadrifles.com/product/swing-lock-adjustable-smooth-sizing-die/


You can buy just the die ($115) and pusher ($10) at Hanks for $125 total, if you want to provide your own wrenches. Or you can get the whole kit and kaboodle for $145 with combo wrench and expander ball.

You only need to use one wrench while adjusting on the Hankins, versus two wrenches on the Swing-Lock. It's a much user friendly design, by far. Not to mention the index line, numbered flats, and dot graduations are extremely easy to see, easy to remember, and easy to mark for future set ups, where it will not be worn off while using.


I get that everyone thinks what they have is the best, but the Hanks smooth sizing die sure seems like a better mousetrap to me!

https://hanksprecisiongunparts.com/c/bullet-resizing-dies

 

[ENCORE50A]

You still need to provide 2 wrenches, and it's more of a pain to adjust.

$160 at ASG for the Swing-Lock

https://www.arrowheadrifles.com/product/swing-lock-adjustable-smooth-sizing-die/


You can buy just the die ($115) and pusher ($10) at Hanks for $125 total, if you want to provide your own wrenches. Or you can get the whole kit and kaboodle for $145 with combo wrench and expander ball.

You only need to use one wrench while adjusting on the Hankins, versus two wrenches on the Swing-Lock. It's a much user friendly design, by far. Not to mention the index line, numbered flats, and dot graduations are extremely easy to see, easy to remember, and easy to mark for future set ups, where it will not be worn off while using.

I have no clue why you believe that it takes two (2) wrenches for the Swinglock die??????

 

[Busta]

Maybe, because that's what they show on their site????????

 

[ENCORE50A]

Maybe, because that's what they show on their site????????

View attachment 5850

Post #27 shows the new Swinglock. One wrench. Same identical sizing die I use.
Unless one is an avid reloader and changing dies all the time, install it in the press and leave it there. Just like the other. One adjustment for sizing.

 

[Boomer]

Just curious why everyone on this site only recommends the Swinglock sizing die over the Hankins?

The Hankins is more versatile, easier to adjust, comes with wrench (kit), expander ball, has choice of pusher rod length, and is less money ($145 complete kit). It also can be purchased by the piece, if you already have the kit and just want another die ($115) to set for another bullet. Same price for .40, .45, or .50 cal.

Swinglock

http://www.swinglock.net/


Hankins

https://hanksprecisiongunparts.com/c/bullet-resizing-dies

https://hanksprecisiongunparts.com/p/smooth-bullet-sizing-die-complete-kit
View attachment 5842

Started with Swing-Lock years ago when they used my barrel drop to make full form die and never looked back. Why would I redo or recommend something I have never tried? Hankins may be the best thing since sliced bread, but my Swing-Lock setup
works great for me. Forming for four barrels, working on fifth. Own one full form and one smooth.

Hindsight may be 20/20, but doesn’t mean we chuck everything and start over.

 

[Busta]

I was asking in hopes that someone that has both or has used both would reply. Just smooth form sizing dies, not full form.

I found a new video of Luke using the newer model. That's better, but I still like the design and operation of the Hankins over the Swing-Lock. YMMV?

Swing-Lock





Hankins




There's more than one way to skin a cat!

 

[ENCORE50A]

Comparing two different apples...…. one sizer is in a hand press while another is in a bench in a press. Hankins is known to take the entire press to the range. The press can be seen in any of the Kentucky Challenge videos. Taking an entire press to the range would be a PITA.

If both were in a hand sizer, they would operate identical. If both were in a press on a bench, they would operate identical. Shooter's choice I guess...…..

 

[Busta]

You act like I don't understand that? The Hankins can be put in a hand press, and the Swing-Lock can be put in a bench press too. I'm talking only about the operation of the die itself, not the press it's in.

Luke has videos of the Swing-Lock in a bench mounted press out at his range in Iowa too.

I see I must have struck a nerve with you on this? I didn't call your baby, ugly.

Again, I'm looking for someone that has experience with both.

 

[ENCORE50A]

You act like I don't understand that? The Hankins can be put in a hand press, and the Swing-Lock can be put in a bench press too.

Luke has videos of the Swing-Lock in a bench mounted press out at his range in Iowa too.

I see I must have struck a nerve with you on this? I didn't call your baby, ugly.

Again, I'm looking for someone that has experience with both.

No nerve struck. But you did start the sizing conversation with your opinion of one being better than another, now its 'I'm looking for someone who has experience with both.'
My last sentence..... shooter's choice.

 

[Busta]

That's still my opinion, until someone can convince me otherwise. That certainly isn't going to be someone that only has experience with one.

 

[ENCORE50A]

That's still my opinion, until someone can convince me otherwise. That certainly isn't going to be someone that only has experience with one.

Maybe you should start a thread specific to sizing dies. Maybe you'll get the answer you want.